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Old 12-08-10, 03:28 PM
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Shimano Positron DG-100

Just picked up a really nice little Free Spirit boulevard cruiser and it has this really nifty Shimano Positron sprocket selection hardware. Works like a treat, very light & positive action.

Who knew ??

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I think Positron was (aside from beinf the earliest index system) like Campi's Synchro. if it was set up right it worked well, if the set up was off it stunk. like alot od shimano stuff it likely suffered from lack of spares too

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This was definitely the grand daddy of index. It lasted a few years then Shimano withdrew it mainly because the dealers and "serious" riding crowd wouldn't have it. Shimano pulled back, and a few years passed before they pulled the various pieces together and introduced modern index systems.
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Originally Posted by FBinNY
This was definitely the grand daddy of index. It lasted a few years then Shimano withdrew it mainly because the dealers and "serious" riding crowd wouldn't have it. Shimano pulled back, and a few years passed before they pulled the various pieces together and introduced modern index systems.
Hmmm... I was chatting with Jan Heine here in Portland a few weeks back, and he pointed out that most of the first derailling-shifting-thingys did have index shifting, that is, they had detents for each gear selection. Since these were installed on comparatively flexible and imperfectly made frames, they wouldn't stay adjusted. So it took a pretty dedicated racer/mechanic to use them well. When friction shifting came around, it was actually an improvement since the shifting action stayed consistent and reliable, no matter how ham-handed the operator.

So I guess that makes the French randonneuring bikes the great-great-granddaddy of indexing.
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I'm curious about that diagram in the upper right. Are they saying that if you chose to assemble your cogs out of order, the derailleur would still track? Was that ever done (assembling cogs out of order)? Why would it have been done?
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I'm curious about that diagram in the upper right. Are they saying that if you chose to assemble your cogs out of order, the derailleur would still track? Was that ever done (assembling cogs out of order)? Why would it have been done?
I think it's saying the slant-parallelogram style derailleur would track the cogs better than the vertical parallelogram like a Nuovo Record. I have no idea if anyone tried it on an out-of-order cogset, or why you would want to.
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I had Positron shifting on an old Panasonic 10 speed. It actually worked great, even though the shifters were on the stem. Shifting was equally crisp in each direction due to the lack of a return spring. That bike also had Shimano's Front Freewheeling system which was little more than a novelty.

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