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Raiyn 10-21-04 01:32 PM

Apple Pie
CRUST (recipe makes one double crust):

2 1/2 cups white flour
2 tbsp. sugar
1/4 tsp. salt
1/2 cup cold butter, broken into small pieces
5 tbsp. cold vegetable shortening
8 tbsp. ice water
  • Measure the flour, sugar and salt togetherl. Stir to combine.
  • Add the chilled butter pieces and shortening to the bowl. Cut them in with a pastry cutter or knife. Don't over mix them.
  • Add the ice water. Mix until the dough holds together (add a bit more water, if necessary).
  • Turn the dough onto a lightly floured surface, knead it together, then divide in half.
  • Flatten each half into a disk, wrap in saran wrap and chill for at least half an hour.
  • Roll out one of the disks on a lightly floured surface until you have a circle that's about 12 inches in diameter.
  • Put the circle in a 9" pie plate, trimming any extra dough from the edges with a sharp knife (parents only). Return it to the refrigerator until you are ready to make the pie.
  • Add filling (see below)
  • Roll out the second ball of dough and cover top. Use a fork or your fingers to pinch the edges together. cut a couple slits in the top.

FILLING

1/3 to 2/3 cup sugar
1/4 cup all-purpose flour
1/2 teaspoon ground nutmeg
1/2 teaspoon ground cinnamon
Pinch of salt
8 medium sized apples (a medium apple = about 1 cup)
2 tablespoons margarine
  • Heat oven to 425 degrees.
  • Peel, core and slice the apples. Try to keep the size of the slices even.
  • Mix sugar, flour, nutmeg, cinnamon, and salt in large bowl.
  • Stir in apples.
  • Pour into pastry-lined pie plate.
  • Dot with margarine.
  • Cover with top crust and seal the edges. Cut slits in the top.
  • OPTIONAL: Cover edge with 3-inch strip of aluminum foil to prevent too much browning.
  • Remove foil during last 15 minutes of baking.
  • Bake 40 to 50 minutes or until crust is brown and juice begins to bubble through slits in crust.

MMMM MMMM GOOD!

CdCf 10-21-04 01:44 PM

Davet, it is obvious you haven't read the entire thread.
If you had, you would have realised that I never asked for your, or anyone else's, risk assessment.
I asked for technical advice. MudPie kindly answered my original question back on the first page. Since then, I've seen mostly stupid posts answering a question I never asked, trying to make me look like a too-scared moron.
I've also tried to make you understand WHY I both want and WILL get the second front brake.

Davet, I'm also aware of the wheel ejection issue. But that issue has nothing to do with having two front brakes. It's a potential issue for ALL front disc brakes.

Again, the money spent will be on the disc brake (and a new wheel hub) and an extra brake handle. I won't save more than the cost of the extra brake handle and an extra brake cable if I remove the rim brake instead of keeping it.
So we're talking maybe $30 and 400 grams. Not a huge "problem", would you say?

I'm going to replace the fork for other reasons, so whatever I'll get will have to be one with provisions for both kinds. I'll definitely make sure the drop-out has a "safe" orientation for use with disc brakes.

FOG 10-21-04 01:55 PM

I agree that the brake assist levers are the way to go, but I did ponder the alternative.

jallen 10-21-04 02:04 PM

CdCf, despite all the naysayers, I think its pretty nifty idea!

Sure, probably unnecessary, but who cares... :) Its fun, and a peace of mind goes a long way

Rock on!

Crunkologist 10-21-04 02:12 PM

This second front brake business is an example of the "more is better" sickness that has infected all of Western Civilization. I think you should put two more brakes on, two more wheels, limited slip differentials, anti-lock brake cylinders, an AM/FM radio and disc changer, and a motor. You're trying to make your bike a car, and its SICK SICK SICK!

I indict you, sir! You are trying to destroy bicycle culture!

jallen 10-21-04 02:32 PM

HAHAHAHAHA I finally read thru the thread... It is very funny.

I am NOT laughing at you CdCf- I am laughing at the crazy ideas and the silly bickering that is going on here.

Don't take it personally, I do not believe most of it is actually directed at you, CdCf. Laugh with them if you want, and have a good time.. And then go do your front brakes anyway. Don't worry about it... You must admit its an unusual idea, and people like to add to unusual ideas with even more unusual ideas, it;s not a big deal.

This thread was a blast to read through.. at nobody's expense IMO.

Peace.

royalflash 10-21-04 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by Crunkologist
This second front brake business is an example of the "more is better" sickness that has infected all of Western Civilization. I think you should put two more brakes on, two more wheels, limited slip differentials, anti-lock brake cylinders, an AM/FM radio and disc changer, and a motor. You're trying to make your bike a car, and its SICK SICK SICK!

I indict you, sir! You are trying to destroy bicycle culture!


dont take advice from the guy that removed his dork disk and immediately face planted the pavement as a result :roflmao:

Raiyn 10-21-04 02:57 PM

http://www.joyofbaking.com/images/pumpkinpie1.jpg

Crunkologist 10-21-04 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by royalflash
dont take advice from the guy that removed his dork disk and immediately face planted the pavement as a result :roflmao:

I resent that, sir! You have clearly identified yourself as an ally of this car worshipper. :mad: Why do you hate America?

http://lizhonshar.bravepages.com/jellopie.jpg

This pie probably makes you SICK. DOESN'T IT!?

And I did not face plant. I was going about 2 mph, having just reached the top of a steep hill, when I threw the chain. If I had been going faster, I woulda taken out alot more spokes, and probably would have face planted. As it was, my shoe got caught on the cleted part of my crap OCR-3 pedals, and when it failed to exit the straps, I tumbled sideways onto the sidewalk and bonked my head.

bkrownd 10-21-04 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by Crunkologist
I like pie. Whats your favortie kind of pie?

Mince pie is the goooood ****. Mince mince mince mince mmmmmmmmmmmince.

bkrownd 10-21-04 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by bkrownd
Mince pie is the goooood ****. Mince mince mince mince mmmmmmmmmmmince.

Censored???!!? I'm calling the ACLU!!!!

Davet 10-21-04 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by CdCf
Davet, it is obvious you haven't read the entire thread.
If you had, you would have realised that I never asked for your, or anyone else's, risk assessment.
I asked for technical advice. MudPie kindly answered my original question back on the first page. Since then, I've seen mostly stupid posts answering a question I never asked, trying to make me look like a too-scared moron.
I've also tried to make you understand WHY I both want and WILL get the second front brake.

Davet, I'm also aware of the wheel ejection issue. But that issue has nothing to do with having two front brakes. It's a potential issue for ALL front disc brakes.

Again, the money spent will be on the disc brake (and a new wheel hub) and an extra brake handle. I won't save more than the cost of the extra brake handle and an extra brake cable if I remove the rim brake instead of keeping it.
So we're talking maybe $30 and 400 grams. Not a huge "problem", would you say?

I'm going to replace the fork for other reasons, so whatever I'll get will have to be one with provisions for both kinds. I'll definitely make sure the drop-out has a "safe" orientation for use with disc brakes.

Y'know, I tried to make an intelligent, reasoned response to you in a gentlemanly fashion. Your reply to me was barely short of arrogant. If you're really interested in looking for truths with questions you ask on forums, perhaps you might develop a slightly thicker skin, among other things.

There are many folks that read these forums, some of whom may have knowledge you seek. However with an attitude like yours, the likelyhood of them giving it diminishes.

CdCf 10-21-04 08:52 PM

MY attitude? Again, have you read even one post in this thread???
You (and a whole bunch of other people) have, after my question had been answered, come here and been rude, telling me what a stupid and silly idea this is.
But see, I never wanted people's opinion on that. If I did, I'd have asked for it.

The world is sooo simple to some people. If it ain't straight, let's make it straight, by whatever means necessary. Can't stand something being out of the ordinary now, can we? Nooo...
I've said it before, and I say it again. I thought cyclists generally were smarter than average, simply because they've figured out that cars are bad. Not so, I've now concluded.

And I can't get over the fact that so many people make uninvited comments on something they have no business commenting in the first place.

Davet, there was nothing gentlemanly about your posts. You weren't as open in your contempt as some other posters here, but they were just as bad.
I suggest you read my first post, and see what I really asked. I think you'll find that I asked a straight-forward, honest, TECHNICAL question, nothing more.

jallen 10-21-04 09:01 PM

I'm just thinking, you must ride down some really really reaaaally steep hills to be this worried. Is it really hilly where you live? I know I sure would hate it if I lost my brakes on a crazy a$$ steep hill, especially on the road.

CdCf 10-21-04 09:08 PM

See, here we go again. I simply asked for technical advice.
If there's any problem having both disc and rim brakes on the front wheel.
MudPie answered my question, and, apart from additional comments like his(?), that should've been the end of the discussion.

FYI, yes, I have a couple of very steep hills in my local area, but that's far from the only reason. If you want to know why I want dual brakes, feel free to read through the thread in its entirety.

Reading some reactions in here, you'd think I'd proposed a LAW requiring dual front brakes...

myxbyx 10-21-04 09:16 PM

ok, enough of this....back to the pie question....


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