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Old 04-05-11, 05:34 AM
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Nuovo record rear derailleur question

Iím hoping to get some help with restoring a campy nuovo record. I got it off an old discarded fuji touring bike (nice find...). However, the roller cage does not pivot, and Iím trying to figure out how itís supposed to work. The roller cage is stuck pointing down, parallel to the front arm.

I noticed that the gear spring bolt rotates with the roller cage (in a youtube video...).
Iím wondering- is the spring cage cover supposed to rotate along with the roller cage? If so, I think thatís what is stuck. Itís just hard to know when everything is stuck so well into place.
I managed to get the spring out, but havenít moved the spring cage.
Thanks for your help.
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Old 04-05-11, 07:12 AM
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I am not sure I am getting a good mentle image of the problem based on your description so a picture would help. However, my NT derailleur hasn't gotten as completely stuck as it seems yours has, but it has periodically gotten a bit sticky because pivot points got gummed up. As quirt of lube at the pivot points did the trick to get teh derailleur functioning properly again.
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I am not sure I am getting a good mental image of the problem based on your description.....
+1. The best I can offer is a few pics of one of my Nuovo Record rear derailleurs, maybe that will help you in sorting out the problem with yours.





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Old 04-05-11, 08:40 AM
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Thanks for the help.
Basically, my derailleur is in the same position as yours, well biked, but it's not the chain tension that is pulling the pulley down, it's just stuck there on its own

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/campy-der.jpg

I'll try to be more clear. I can't take a picture right now but I think this diagram will help. In the diagram (link above), the piece I'm talking about is 812/A- the spring cage cover. I suspect that it's supposed to rotate along with the pulleys when they rotate to take up the slack. I just wanted to be sure before I tried to force it to un-stick.

I took it off a bike that had been left out all winter, the chain was rusted beyond repair.
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di you take it apart? the innards (is that a correct tech term?) may be all gooked up. om my SR rd that part 812/A does rotate with the cage. print out a few copies of the diagram (they will get messy) and take it apart and clean it.

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I did take it apart and took the spring out.

I think the spring cage cover must just be stuck. Very very stuck. So stuck I found it hard to believe that it's supposed to move.

But thanks for all the help and I'll see what I can do.

Printing the diagram might be a good idea. My keyboard it getting a little greasy.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
di you take it apart? the innards (is that a correct tech term?) may be all gooked up. [/IMG]
'round here we call them "gizzards"
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Toss the whole thing in a bin of mineral spirits, kerosene, and see if it loosens up.
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'round here we call them "gizzards"
UH yeah and you eat them YUK!!

did the tip of of the spring pop out while your were putting it back togather?
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well biked, how do you keep your drive train so clean? also, why?
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well biked, how do you keep your drive train so clean? also, why?
That's my all-seasons commuter bike. I ride it to work every day, then spend the rest of the day cleaning it.

In all seriousness, I have quite a few bikes. I ride them all......except that one. I get plenty of joy from that one just lookin' at it.

All the parts have been cleaned extensively, are NOS, or both. I bought the bike as a collector piece (it's forty years old this month), did a few finishing touches on it, and have it on display. It's very close to what you would have seen if you walked into a Schwinn shop in 1971 and saw a new Paramount with the full chrome finish (the chrome is original, too, btw). Full Nuovo Record group with the applicable parts date stamped 1971. The chain is a NOS Regina Record, the freewheel is a NOS Regina Oro.

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That's my all-seasons commuter bike. I ride it to work every day, then spend the rest of the day cleaning it.

In all seriousness, I have quite a few bikes. I ride them all......except that one. I get plenty of joy from that one just lookin' at it.

All the parts have been cleaned extensively, are NOS, or both. I bought the bike as a collector piece (it's forty years old this month), did a few finishing touches on it, and have it on display. It's very close to what you would have seen if you walked into a Schwinn shop in 1971 and saw a new Paramount with the full chrome finish (the chrome is original, too, btw). Full Nuovo Record group with the applicable parts date stamped 1971. The chain is a NOS Regina Record, the freewheel is a NOS Regina Oro.
It is very prettty.
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It is very prettty.
Thank you!
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Well biked, that is a fine looking bike. (it took some time to wipe the drool of the keyboard before I could reply)
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I've posted quite a few pics of it since I bought it several months ago, but here are a couple of my favorites:



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I had the Raleigh version of that bike, an 73 Pro made in the Carlton factory. I sold it when I went to college.
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Old 04-06-11, 11:30 AM
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I had the Raleigh version of that bike, an 73 Pro made in the Carlton factory. I sold it when I went to college.
Cool. I've got a '72 Carlton-built International with the full NR group as well. Very elegant bikes, although the workmanship on my International is nowhere near as nice as the Paramount frame. From what I've seen, the Raleigh Pro's were typically much better than the Internationals as far as workmanship on the frames, though. I had a friend in high school who had a Raleigh Professional from around ''78 or '79, that was a dream bike of mine. I rode a Schwinn Traveler at the time.
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I just replaced my regina oro chain and frewheel with campy veloce 10 speed chain and cassette. I'm still running the NR rear and front ders, but moving to ergo levers and a new vleoce rr der on my Tanguuy rebuild. The old NR is also about 40 years old, and works perfectly. It's not so clean as yours.
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I have those breaks too. the pads are scott matthauser, about 25 years old and I need to replace them cause they don't stop so good anymore.
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Indeed she is a beauty

Wanna swap derailleurs? Mine's already pre-stuck in "display" position.

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Indeed she is a beauty

Wanna swap derailleurs? Mine's already pre-stuck in "display" position.

Thanks and no thanks.
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want to make my Nuovo Rec a long cage, anyone done it? to take it apart, change out the cage, is it spring loaded, but easy?
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It's very easy. A rally cage fits, or you can buy reproduction Rally cages. Check Soma. Shifting won't be any worse than a NR with the original cage.
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just the early Rally had a spring loaded upper bolt, too. . Shimano Tourney like but Campag quality..

then they used the NGS body with a different outer plate.

Merry sales/ soma replica Is similar , original one used a threaded brass insert ,

Somas source just threads the Aluminum.

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want to make my Nuovo Rec a long cage, anyone done it? to take it apart, change out the cage, is it spring loaded, but easy?
Yes, it's pretty easy. You need to remove the cage stop bolt (#812/1A in the diagram below) to release tension on the pulley cage. Then you can remove the pulley cage from the derailleur body by loosening the lower pivot bolt (#811/A). Install the new cage by engaging the pin on the spring (#813/A) in one of the holes in the cage and tightening up the pivot bolt (#811/A). Campagnolo provides three holes to adjust spring tension; third party replacement cages may be different. It doesn't matter a great deal which hole you chose, as it's easy to change if you decide you needed one of the other ones. Wind the cage counter-clockwise to tension the spring, and replace the stop bolt (#812/1A) to hold the tension. Done.

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