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7ucky 05-05-11 11:31 PM

Unable to get the headset and for off for disassembly
 
I picked up an early 80s Puch Odyssey for a song and now in trying to disassemble it to remove the rust and put on some other parts, but I can't get the friggin headset and fork off. (I believe my problem is similar to this person's: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...readed+headset)

I think it may be stuck from being old and rusty, so I squirted some PB down in there and will let it sit over night. I'm far from an expert on bicycles, so I just wanted to check here to see if there was something obvious I'm missing.

Photos for reference:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../iphone006.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../iphone005.jpg

Sixty Fiver 05-05-11 11:38 PM

When you unscrew the stem bolt you do not want to remove it completely and need it to remain threaded in to the nut... from there you want to give it a firm tap to release the wedge nut and if all goes well the quill stem will come out.

I would put the headset back together and see if you can't thread the stem bolt back in and give it a tap and see what happens.

7ucky 05-06-11 12:08 AM

Thanks, Sixty Fiver.

I screwed the wedge nut back in so it stuck up a bit and gave it a few taps with the hammer. It budged, but it only moved enough so that the wedge nut is back to being flush with the top of the quill stem even though, at this point, it's all the way unscrewed (see here: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../iphone008.jpg).

Any other ideas?

xenologer 05-06-11 04:23 AM

Try removing the stem bolt,
turning the bike upside down,
then screwing the bolt back into the stem wedge backwards through the hole in the bottom of the fork,
might be able to hammer the wedge out from that direction.

dabac 05-06-11 05:09 AM


Originally Posted by xenologer (Post 12603334)
Try removing the stem bolt,
turning the bike upside down,
then screwing the bolt back into the stem wedge backwards through the hole in the bottom of the fork,
might be able to hammer the wedge out from that direction.

The OP still has the stem in place...

dabac 05-06-11 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by 7ucky (Post 12603160)
I screwed the wedge nut back in so it stuck up a bit and gave it a few taps with the hammer. It budged, but it only moved enough so that the wedge nut is back to being flush with the top of the quill stem

Under the assumption that you have now managed to disengage the wedge: approach bike from front, hold wheel firmly between knees, now try twisting the handlebar left-right. Should be "only" rust holding it in place.

sgrobben 05-06-11 06:31 AM

Make sure you grease the stem and wedge when it's time for reassembly

Sixty Fiver 05-06-11 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by 7ucky (Post 12603160)
Thanks, Sixty Fiver.

I screwed the wedge nut back in so it stuck up a bit and gave it a few taps with the hammer. It budged, but it only moved enough so that the wedge nut is back to being flush with the top of the quill stem even though, at this point, it's all the way unscrewed (see here: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../iphone008.jpg).

Any other ideas?

Back off the stem bolt a few more turns and give it another tap... if the nut moved then this bodes well.

I have a long rod here I can use for tapping out wedge bolts which comes in handy... the stem itself might also be pretty sticky so more penetrating fluid and patience to let it work might be required.

7ucky 05-06-11 08:48 AM

Thanks to everyone, and...

Success! I just tried your suggestion, dabac, and it worked like a charm. Well, she put up a fight, but gave up the ghost after a few firm twists. Thank you!

Look at all this rust:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../iphone009.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../iphone010.jpg

Bonus question: I'm sure there's a lot of rust inside the head tube, any easy way of getting at that without damaging anything?

JohnDThompson 05-06-11 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by 7ucky (Post 12604129)
Bonus question: I'm sure there's a lot of rust inside the head tube, any easy way of getting at that without damaging anything?

Wire bottle brush:

http://www.rexbritton.co.uk/images/img_tiw1.jpg

If you have a power drill, you can chuck the brush into the drill and make fast work of the job.

dabac 05-06-11 09:08 AM

I'd say about average for a beater bike.


Originally Posted by 7ucky (Post 12604129)
Bonus question: I'm sure there's a lot of rust inside the head tube, any easy way of getting at that without damaging anything?

Head tube? or Steerer tube? Either way, when iron turns to rust it expands rather dramatically, so no immediate need for concern. The head tube should clean out rather well. Once you get the headset cups out you should find it easy enough to get a one-row wire brush reasonably far in there. The steerer tube can be a bit more challenging, but basically you can use anything (maybe a rod/ thin pipe) and simply scrape away to your heart's content. If you manage to damage anything the fork isn't good enough to use anyhow.


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