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Old 08-14-11, 09:12 AM
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Loose Ultegra Cassette

I was riding round on my old wheels for ages and the came with 9 speed (rubbish) cassette. My bike has 10 speed shifters so I went on a bit of an over haul, bought some new wheels and new cassette. I am trying to put them all back together and the cassette feels loose laterally when the lockring is fully tightened.

The wheel is a Rolf Vector Comp wheel and the cassette is a 10 speed 11-23 ultegra cassette. I am aware that Mavic hubs needs and extra spacer at the back of the cassette and it kind of feels like this is needed.

There are no spacers missing and they (I think) are all the correct size. I have noticed that the 11T cog (compared to my old 12T smallest cog) is not grooved "all the way through" like all the other cogs are, it is only grooved "part way" so it rests on the top of the splines rather than being able to tighten down on the other cogs (if that makes sense).

ANY help or ideas would be much appriciated as I don't want to go back to the 9 speed cogs as these are wrong and wrecked.

THANKS

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Old 08-14-11, 09:49 AM
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Shimano 10-speed cassettes come with a 1 mm thick spacer that must be installed behind the largest cog on all 8/9/10-speed freehub bodies. Your 11T cog fits correctly.
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Old 08-14-11, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by HillRider View Post
Shimano 10-speed cassettes come with a 1 mm thick spacer that must be installed behind the largest cog on all 8/9/10-speed freehub bodies. Your 11T cog fits correctly.
I was aware that Mavic needed the 1mm spacer - but these are Rolf Vector hubs - so i need to get a 1mm spacer?? (thanks - but just wanted to check I had not confused things asmine are not mavic hubs)
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Old 08-14-11, 10:02 AM
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Thanks Hillrider - I (armed with your help) have found the answer - now gotta try n find the spacer!

I was under the impression that this was just mavic hubs but now I know better!
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Mavis's spacer is a little bigger than 1mm and it's to make up the difference between the width of a Mavic cassette and other cassettes.

The 1mm Shimano spacer is for their 10-speed road cassettes because Shimano's 10-speed-only freehubs were 1mm narrower than other freehubs, so the splines on the cassette are 1mm narrower. The spacer takes up this gap for normal 8/9/10-speed freehubs.
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Many Mavic hubs need both the 2 mm Mavic spacer and the 1 mm Shimano spacer with a 10-speed Shimano cassette. Some Mavic hubs do not need the Mavic spacer.
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Old 08-14-11, 11:43 AM
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Thanks JiveTurkey!

I had a cunning temp fix which fell on its arse and ruined my old (not too bothered about) wheels. But for now I have to run my 9 speed cassette for 3-4 days whilst the spacer comes - then I am very very happy to run my nice new 23-11 cassette :-)
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How are you using the 9-speed cassette with 10-speed shifter? The alternate cable routing method?
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Old 08-15-11, 11:20 AM
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Jive - If I told you how I was riding you would not believe it! I am running the 9 speed cassette and simply missing certain gears - I know its not good for the gears but up until a few weeks ago I didnt know there was different "speeds". My cycling journey is a wierd and stupid story - especially now I know what I know but as of weds I will had the required spacer and can get everything as it should be - I'm then going to get it properly serviced as my LBS - I will explain my biking story in a little bit but it puts it into some context of how I got to being here...
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Old 08-15-11, 11:24 AM
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Try this in the meantime: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/derailer...html#alternate
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Old 08-15-11, 11:58 AM
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About 6/7 years ago I decided to get a bike for the daily commute and on the back of this (and with a limited budget) I went on ebay and got myself a Cannondale Hybrid (https://www.epinions.com/bicycles_200...ad_Warrior_500) for about 300. It seemed a bargain as I had only ever rode Mountain bikes and the norrow tyres made me seem like I was flying. I invested in some proper clip in shoes and lycra and was very happy with my 7 mile commute.

Then about 2 years after getting this bike the moter insurance company I worked for at the time got a claim for injury and bike damage. I was the best placed (with VERY VERY limited knowledge) on the bike front to comment (but didnt really have a clue) so my manager asked me what to do. I spoke to the guy about the bike and he clearly had a better knowledge than me so I let him lead the conversation. He was upset his new bike had a cracked frame and the wheels were in pieces so i asked him to send in the bike and receipt - he was very keen to get the bike "written off" and get a new one. He sent in the bike and true to his word the frame was cracked and the wheels were buggered - so to save the hassle and to keep the customer happy we agreed to give him the full value of the bike. The scrap bike cluttered up the office for a few weeks then the bike parking bays for a few weeks after that, I spoke to my boss and asked what was happening with it. The manager had forgot and when I offered to "get rid of it" and just have the bits off it, he was happy for me to get rid of the scraped bike.

Anyhows - I lumped myself with a Litespeed Teramo 2004 (https://www.bikepedia.com/quickbike/B...ramo&Type=bike). I had a look at it, took the forks and seat post to my LBS as they were carbon and they advise to be wary of using them as any damage could prove to be weakness, but knowing the impact was just to the rear frame i kept the forks and got a new seat post. I whacked my pedals from my hybrid on alog with my old wheels and decided to keep an eye on the crack (as on further inspection it wasn't "too bad".

The bike was soooo light compared to anything that had gone before it, the gears occasionally skipped but I assumed this was par for the course and put it down to my old gears being a bit crap. The old wheels were a bit crap (Mavic CXP21's on sora hubs) and the spokes started to go a few at a time this summer so I decided to invest in some new wheels and got myself some Rolf Victor Comp's and this lead me to get a new rear cassette as it started slipping (I know know due to the 9 speed - 10 speed issue. ANYHOWS, I have just sent the crack off for a successful weld and am just waiting for the 1mm spacer so can get the 10 speed cassette on....Then I am laughing.

As for running the 9 speed for a few days - My ignorance was bliss for a 5 years (stopped riding for 4 years) so a few days more (hopefully) wont cause me any issues.

Hope that makes sense - OH AND THE ROLF VECTORS ARE AMAZING!!!!
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Old 08-15-11, 12:00 PM
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Cheers again for your help!!!! And it appears I had somehow (more through luck than judgement) routed the cable like in shaldons diagram - so I need to swap it back when I get the 10 speed - I am a happy boy!!!
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