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Old 09-13-11, 07:45 PM
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Old 09-13-11, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Crankycrank View Post
How to remove stubborn quicklinks without special tools. https://www.ctc.org.uk/resources/Magazine/201107050.pdf
A rock is kind of a special tool. Think I'll start carrying one with me on rides.
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Old 09-13-11, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by JonathanGennick View Post
Years ago the first KMC links I bought snapped and locked into place, and you needed pliers to remove them. Not sure whether any are still made that way.
I was browsing through KMC's website once and noted they have used at least 3 different master link designs. The one they call "MissingLink" is on all the chains I've bought recently and is identical to the Superlink & SRAM Powerlink.
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Old 09-13-11, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by sideshow_bob View Post
Seriously, I bought the close tool and the open tool, both combined cost me about $20. Get a grip.
I'm trying to do a derailleur change. I don't have time to sit and wait a week for a ****ing mail order part to come in. This is the 2nd time a piece of **** kmc chain did this to me yet the 6 or7 other sram chains have had no problems. Its clearly an issue with kmc's product.

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Old 09-13-11, 10:26 PM
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I ran Sedis Sport chains for years, several loaded tours ,
always just joined them with a chain tool

But as I use friction bar end shifters and took my time, shifted
early, on hills . never blew out a chain.

KMC are a modest priced chain, just throw them away after a few months and buy a new one.
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Old 09-14-11, 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Crankycrank View Post
How to remove stubborn quicklinks without special tools. https://www.ctc.org.uk/resources/Magazine/201107050.pdf
You can have a virtual high 5 for showing me this.
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Old 09-14-11, 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Crankycrank View Post
How to remove stubborn quicklinks without special tools. https://www.ctc.org.uk/resources/Magazine/201107050.pdf
That looks like it should work. Gotta give it a try next time. I've had difficult links too.
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Old 09-14-11, 05:55 AM
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Chill-out dude.

Just trash the damn thing and quit buying KMC chains.
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Old 09-14-11, 06:40 AM
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Old 09-14-11, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by motobecane69 View Post
I'm strong as an ox
Finesse, not strength is the way. I have little girl arms and these chains apparently bow down before me in submission....

Originally Posted by motobecane69 View Post
these chains suck cawk.
Nope. I've installed hundreds. Among the best bang-for-the-buck chain out there and runs beautifully on all drive trains. Removed scores of them. NEVER took more than a few seconds.

Originally Posted by motobecane69 View Post
i'm about to just break it and throw it in the ****ing trash.
I would suggest you simply use a chain tool to remove the offending quick link and replace it with a Connex. They're fairly idiot-proof IF you install them right side up.

All this emotion over a chain......wow.
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Originally Posted by TurbineBlade View Post
Chill-out dude.

Just trash the damn thing and quit buying KMC chains.
HEy brainiac, you can't throw a chain away if you can't get it off. IT's a brand NEW bike, brand NEW chain!!! I'm swapping out components on it, no excuse for a brand new chain not to come apart.
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Old 09-14-11, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by motobecane69 View Post
i've never had a problem removing a sram link by hand
I have - have a SRAM chain hanging in my garage if you want it.
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Old 09-14-11, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by motobecane69 View Post
HEy brainiac, you can't throw a chain away if you can't get it off. IT's a brand NEW bike, brand NEW chain!!! I'm swapping out components on it, no excuse for a brand new chain not to come apart.
Did you even look at the link above? https://www.ctc.org.uk/resources/Magazine/201107050.pdf Seriously, we all go through a learning curve on some things. Since this has been such a frustrating challenge for you, you can probably look forward to NEVER forgetting the solution and you will someday provide an answer to a newby here. I run nothing but SRAM on all chains but don't bother with trying to remove by hand. If you maneuver the chain into the shape of an upside down U with the quick link at the top, you can take any old household pliers and apply them diagonally across the link. No strength at all is required. just give a little click and it's off. The link above would be helpful for roadside repairs so I will have to rehears that one.
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Old 09-14-11, 09:16 AM
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I think it's clear the OP doesn't really want answers. He just wants to scream about stuff.
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I get that. I'm just trying to "talk him off the ledge" we've all been there and we are here to help aren't we?
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Chain suck?

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Old 09-14-11, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by motobecane69 View Post
HEy brainiac, you can't throw a chain away if you can't get it off. IT's a brand NEW bike, brand NEW chain!!! I'm swapping out components on it, no excuse for a brand new chain not to come apart.

You're killing us all over here! You have a chain tool? USE IT.
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Originally Posted by blamp28 View Post
I get that. I'm just trying to "talk him off the ledge" we've all been there and we are here to help aren't we?
Which way?

Up and back or down and splat?

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Originally Posted by BikeWise1 View Post
You're killing us all over here! You have a chain tool? USE IT.
Amazing isn't it?

I just finished by bullhorn equipped single speed project...first thing I saw when grabbing the chain was the master link. It went bye bye in an instant courtesy of my old trusty Sedis chain tool.

How hard can it be?

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Originally Posted by motobecane69 View Post
I'm trying to do a derailleur change. I don't have time to sit and wait a week for a ****ing mail order part to come in. This is the 2nd time a piece of **** kmc chain did this to me yet the 6 or7 other sram chains have had no problems. Its clearly an issue with kmc's product.
I think more than one person has told you these are common tools and can be found for around $10 in most bike shops. You've spent more time whining on this forum than it would have taken you to go buy one. PLUS, if you care to solve the problem rather than whine and use your colorful clever variations of foul language, you'd know there's very easy solutions that don't require any special tools.

But the real points are: the KMC link is exactly the same in design and difficulty as the Sram and you don't give a rat's ass, you just want to whine and curse in alternative spellings.
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Old 09-14-11, 11:17 AM
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A month ago I got a new 6sp chain at the LBS, not a KMC, and asked for a quick link. I don't have to worry about taking it off because the mechanic couldn't even get it on. After about 4 tries and 10 minutes we gave up and used a break-off pin. The link was a hair too narrow apparently.
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Old 09-14-11, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by GamblerGORD53 View Post
A month ago I got a new 6sp chain at the LBS, not a KMC, and asked for a quick link. I don't have to worry about taking it off because the mechanic couldn't even get it on. After about 4 tries and 10 minutes we gave up and used a break-off pin. The link was a hair too narrow apparently.
I don't know if there's any difference between 6 sp and 8 sp chains - I had a Shimano 8 speed chain that was too wide for an 8 speed quicklink. I could go look at it if anyone's curious about the exact Shimano chain it is.

I had to remove it, temporarily replace it with a longer chain, and then put it back on (long story, but it involved using a larger cassette on a rental bike. Since it was a Shimano chain, it didn't have a quick link. So I broke it w/ a chain tool, and tried to put it back together with a Sram 8 speed quicklink. Although I struggled and swore and struggled and swore, I could NOT get that quicklink to work. The shimano chain was just tiny, tiny bit too wide. I mean, at every attempt, I really thought I could get it to slide in place, but it just didn't go.

I've since been lead to believe that Shimano 8 speed chains - at least some of them - are enough different (wider) than other 8 speed chains that the Sram 8 speed quick links just won't work.

I wonder if your 6 speed chain is the same situation? Aren't all chains 8 speed and below actually the same chains?

Just curious how this relates.

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I don't know if there's any difference between 6 sp and 8 sp chains - I had a Shimano 8 speed chain that was too wide for an 8 speed quicklink. I could go look at it if anyone's curious about the exact Shimano chain it is.
Shimano, in their unfathomable wisdom had two incompatible 8s variations:
- 8s HG
- 8s IG
8s HG was wider than 8s IG.
An 8s SRAM Powerlink will fit IG, but not HG.
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I've since been lead to believe that Shimano 8 speed chains - at least some of them - are enough different (wider) than other 8 speed chains that the Sram 8 speed quick links just won't work.
Yep. There are two different widths to worry about. I keep a supply of 8-speed SRAM Powerlinks and also some KMC links in the 7.3mm width. Those cover my bases, but I also keep some Shimano pins handy as well.
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I've bought a couple of hundred KMC chains in the last few years, its all I use, and for the price, they cannot be beat.
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