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Old 09-13-11, 02:26 PM
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Holy s*** what did I do wrong?

Maybe y'all saw my last post, I've been riding bikes for years but I just started trying to do my own Maintenance and whatnot. Anyways, I was told by a guy at my local hardware store, a guy who also works on bikes, what I should use to remove these decals. He even saw the bike in person before he decided. Well, obviously what he recommended didn't work. At. All. The paint is ruined. This is a steel frame. Can I easily repair this, or should I strip off all the paint? I really don't even know what happened, is this the paint that was annihalated or some top coat?

I pretty much have just no clue what is going on.

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Old 09-13-11, 02:27 PM
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Old 09-13-11, 02:35 PM
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What did you use to remove the decals?
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Old 09-13-11, 02:45 PM
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He told me to use this stuff called Off! by Krylon.
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Old 09-13-11, 02:51 PM
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krylon is a paint company. If they make a product called OFF! it's probably designed to remove paint. DE DE DEEEEEEEEE!
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Old 09-13-11, 02:51 PM
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LOL... doesnt surprise me it burnt the paint Off is a PAINT REMOVER!!!

I'm going to second the DE DE DEEEEEEEE!!! haha
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Old 09-13-11, 02:51 PM
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I guess what I'm asking is, would it be bad to do that to the entire frame? Am I doing any damage to the frame? And if I were to do it, is there some way to prevent it from rusting/slowing the rusting?
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Old 09-13-11, 02:53 PM
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HAH. I took the advice of someone who behaved as if they thoroughly knew what they were talking about, and well it didn't work, so now I have to deal with it lol.
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Old 09-13-11, 02:53 PM
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Krylon Off! is a paint and varnish stripper. It did exactly what it is designed to do. The guy at the hardware store is an idiot for suggesting it for decal removal. You are an idiot for not reading the can before you started. Sorry to throw you under the bus, but there it is.
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Old 09-13-11, 02:55 PM
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Ok dude.. this is that u do ok? Go to your hobby shop and get the closest TAMIYA paint color they have. Thats water based and should not ruin the paint, levels fine and is cheap, use rubbing alcohol if you want to thin it ok?

1st just sand lightly the paint so it gets kind'a even and then use the tamiya color you bought. If you buy black u can do a black strip around the tube.

Second option, buy another sticker and put it over LOL
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after you go back and cuss the guy out, take all the parts off your frame including removing the crank and bottom bracket and then use it on the entire frame. Then you can buy some frame saver and spray it inside all of the steel tubing which will help to protect the frame from rusting from the inside out should water get inside of it. Then you can probably get the frame powdercoated for under $100. YOu could also paint it yourself with rattle cans but to do it the right way is tough to do without a room to spray it in with good ventilation. it also takes a long time for paint to properly cure if you want it to be a durable finish.
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If you are in DC metro i can paint you the frame for the cost of materials only.
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Would it be stupid for me not to repaint it? I actually like the way the unpainted steel looks lol. Would there be something I can do to keep it from rusting?
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Without at least a clearcoat, it will rust.
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HAH. I took the advice of someone who behaved as if they thoroughly knew what they were talking about, and well it didn't work, so now I have to deal with it lol.
OK so you got bad advice. You're not the first, nor will this probably be the last time it happens. Hopefully you won't be progressing from bad to worse following the advice of strangers on the internet.

To answer your specific question, stripping all the paint off won't hurt the frame, but it's not a fast process, and will obligate you to repaint the entire frame. This isn't fast or easy for a home repair, and a professional job won't be cheap. Also anything short of a professional job won't be nearly as durable as the factory paint.

My advice is to clean up the damaged area down to bare metal, using more Off, and/or sandpaper. Then mask off the area and repaint that in a contrasting color as an accent panel. After removing the masking tape, use a foil strip to cover the transition area so it all comes together as if it was planned from the start.

Alternately you start the same way but feather the color band over the old painr as a sort of fade transition. This is harder, but I've seen some very well executed jobs like this after frame repairs.
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Old 09-13-11, 03:17 PM
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I know how to fix it! Put a Ron Paul 2012 sticker over it.
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Old 09-13-11, 03:18 PM
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I live in a 200 sq ft apartment, so I'm afraid I don't have the space for DIY jobs, other than stripping the paint.
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Old 09-13-11, 03:24 PM
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That is a really good idea, thanks
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Old 09-13-11, 03:33 PM
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Cheapest and laziest solution, put some clear enamel nail polish over the metal to protect it.

My favorite idea is ultramans. You could even just put a different color band around the tube there, that may actually look pretty good.
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Old 09-13-11, 05:28 PM
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Get the tamiya paint man, another paint could eat the paint u have in there unless u can get car paint or something like that. Dont use Krylon paint it might eat the one u have there already so better play safe. Tamiya has spray paint too that could work in your apt or maybe in the street. Just use masking tape and paint all that section in black or another color and done with it, just sand it lightly to make the surface as flat and even as possible and next time, read the labels hehehe

ps: Regular tamiya will be like 5 bucks for the big cup and you can use it at your place, it will smell like alcohol but wont kill you. The spray tamiya is like 15 bucks, personally i would get the large cup and be done with it.
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It's possible to strip a frame to bare metal using an ordinary home mechanic's sandblaster. A machinist friend did this for me, once, right in his driveway. I then spray-painted the frame from rattle-cans, first with a metal primer, then an 'engine block' paint that I thought might be durable. The result was a utilitarian matte-finish look that was actually sort of cool.

Trying to chemiically strip an entire frame without shop facilities will result in the biggest, most gawd-awful mess you could ever imagine, and the fumes will reduce your IQ. Don't go there.

What you should do with your frame depends on what it's worth. If it's a good frame, consider having it repainted by a pro. If not, do something creative with the damaged area, like other posters suggested.

Whatever you do, don't stress out over it. Mistakes happen, things get damaged, we fix them up somehow, it's all part of the fun. You now have a truly funny bike repair story to tell.

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Old 09-13-11, 05:47 PM
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You should either strip it really thoroughly and have it professionally repainted and/or clear coated or .....

Sand the damaged part and a little surrounding it to get everything smoothed out and remove all the damaged paint so all that is left is solid paint and clean metal, edges nice and smoothly feathered.

Prime the bare metal at least a couple of coats. Re-sand to make it nice and smooth again. Re-prime if your sanding exposed any metal again, repeat as necessary until you have a nice smooth spot w/ primer and solid paint surrounding it. This is a 20 minute job probably. Use the proper primer for the frame material (steel vs. aluminum)

Go to a sign shop and get a sticker (aka decal in many circles) printed up with whatever graphics or words or whatever color you want to place around the tube to cover the spot. I'll bet you can some up with something that actually improves the look of your bike.
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Old 09-13-11, 06:10 PM
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My bike has two colors of paint on it, without any clearcoat. I had put duct tape where one color meets the other color. When I went to take off the duct tape, it lifted some of the second color. It looked awful, so I grabbed a Wahoos fish taco sticker and put it there.
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Old 09-13-11, 06:31 PM
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You need to cover the steel. I would get some rustoleum primer on there, and then repaint it with hobby shop paint. Clear coat if necessary.

BTW: Use Goof off! for stickers and decals that are sticky. It won't ruin paint. Be sure to read the directions.
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