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Old 09-14-11, 12:23 AM
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Can someone explain this bikes weight to me?

I'm not exactly looking at buying this bike, I was curious and doing some searches and this thing popped up in the "light weight" section.. product weight 41 lbs! Even assuming like 10 of that is materials/packing etc that's 31 lbs for a "light weight" https://www.amazon.com/Tour-France-St...5981255&sr=1-4 am I missing something here?
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Old 09-14-11, 03:24 AM
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mislisted, which is common on amazon
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Considering it;s a BSO, the weight seems correct, have you looked at the components on it, all very low budget.

The only mention on lightweight in the listing, is for the frame, which may be fairly light, but everything else on it will be weighing it down.
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Old 09-14-11, 06:20 AM
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Compared to the other bikes they sell, that one is light weight.
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Old 09-14-11, 07:01 AM
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when compared to other cross country bikes, it is in the heavier side. We need to look in the components to judge the weight specification.
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Old 09-14-11, 07:10 AM
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No surprise. Bikes like this were apparently designed by the Marquis de Sade to make sure no one ever enjoys one single mile of riding. Brand new landfill fodder.
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31#s is fairly typical for entry level or mass market channel bikes. You generally have to spend about $300 to break the 30# barrier, about $500 to get to the mid 20s and $1,000 to get to the low twenties.
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The weight spec listed on Amazons site is never the actual product weight, it's the listed shipping weight. My new steel framed touring bike from nashbar arrived and it was 51 lbs in the box. the bike it'self is actually about 28. hard to believe that there could be 20lbs of packing materials but there was. kind of wasteful.
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Old 09-14-11, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by BikeWise1 View Post
No surprise. Bikes like this were apparently designed by the Marquis de Sade to make sure no one ever enjoys one single mile of riding. Brand new landfill fodder.
+1. Unfortunately, there have always been crappy bikes, and I'm sure there always will be. Whoever makes this bike is certainly doing their part.

As a side note, one ride on that bike, if you try and ride with your hands on the brake hoods at all, and you might need an orthopedic surgeon's services. I'm not sure a more un-ergonomic setup could be achieved if you set out to design the most uncomfortable setup ever conceived. Ouch just looking at it. Gross.
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Old 09-14-11, 08:15 AM
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Le Hyper Marche, +1 a BSO, 1010 steel and lots of it.
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Originally Posted by well biked View Post
As a side note, one ride on that bike, if you try and ride with your hands on the brake hoods at all, and you might need an orthopedic surgeon's services. I'm not sure a more un-ergonomic setup could be achieved if you set out to design the most uncomfortable setup ever conceived. Ouch just looking at it. Gross.
Wow!! that is just assembled WRONG with the bars rotated down. I have seen BSO's like this in stores with forks backwards etc. as if the assembler had never actually seen a real bike before.
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Old 09-14-11, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
31#s is fairly typical for entry level or mass market channel bikes. You generally have to spend about $300 to break the 30# barrier, about $500 to get to the mid 20s and $1,000 to get to the low twenties.
+1 Good general guideline. "lightweight" is a marketing term. It means different things to different people. Fit and comfort are more important concerns so that you will enjoy the rides.
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Old 09-14-11, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by blamp28 View Post
I have seen BSO's like this in stores with forks backwards etc. as if the assembler had never actually seen a real bike before.
+1. I see this several times a week around here. Whaddaya expect from bikes assembled by the stock specialist/BBQ grill "technician"....hahaha
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Old 09-14-11, 09:42 AM
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Amazon listed a wheelset having a shipping weight of 30 pounds, so don't count on their descriptions to be totally accurate.
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Originally Posted by Ikarios View Post
Amazon listed a wheelset having a shipping weight of 30 pounds, so don't count on their descriptions to be totally accurate.
That's not necessarily inaccurate. First of all shipping weight is different than net weight. Then there's something called "dimensional weight" where volume is converted to weight to calculate shipping costs. That's to prevent lampshade makers from filling up a truck or airplane cargo hold and only paying a fraction of what they should. Most wheel shipping costs are likewise based on DimWt and 30#s is about right.

Bikes often also come into DimWt rules.
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Originally Posted by blamp28 View Post
Wow!! that is just assembled WRONG with the bars rotated down. I have seen BSO's like this in stores with forks backwards etc. as if the assembler had never actually seen a real bike before.
Check out the handlebars on the yelow model. Seems like they got the least stupid assembly guy to do the polka-dot model.
https://www.zoostores.com/shop/tour-d...:referralID=NA
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Heh, thanks guys, again I did not want that bike though. Just wanted to know why anyone would ever call it lightweight, from the sound of it I need to keep my eyes peeled since this is more common of a practice then I thought! (For those refering to shipping weight, they never did, they just listed product weight under the product specs, not shipping)
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Real bike companies (that thing you linked to is a piece of junk, not a real bike) tend to be extremely cagey these days about listing weights. In the past, there was a race to the bottom with bike weights (because many people would buy bikes based on weight), with various manufacturers fudging their weight numbers more and more so as to not appear to have heavier bikes than their competition, who were also fudging weight numbers (either by giving weights for the smallest frames, or with many components missing (no pedals or saddle, etc), or by flat out making up numbers).

The upshot is that you cannot trust a bike weight given by a manufacturer, if one is given at all.
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Originally Posted by robo View Post
Real bike companies (that thing you linked to is a piece of junk, not a real bike) tend to be extremely cagey these days about listing weights. In the past, there was a race to the bottom with bike weights (because many people would buy bikes based on weight), with various manufacturers fudging their weight numbers more and more so as to not appear to have heavier bikes than their competition, who were also fudging weight numbers (either by giving weights for the smallest frames, or with many components missing (no pedals or saddle, etc), or by flat out making up numbers).

The upshot is that you cannot trust a bike weight given by a manufacturer, if one is given at all.
So in other words weight weenies might not be so dumb after all.. since they actually know the "given" weight of a bike from adding up components...
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So in other words weight weenies might not be so dumb after all.. since they actually know the "given" weight of a bike from adding up components...
They won't know the weight of the frame, and of any non-brand-name components. Also, many brand name component manufacturers also fudge weights, although probably to a lesser extent.
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They won't know the weight of the frame, and of any non-brand-name components. Also, many brand name component manufacturers also fudge weights, although probably to a lesser extent.
wow.. so basically unless I can weigh it myself don't believe it?
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So in other words weight weenies might not be so dumb after all.. since they actually know the "given" weight of a bike from adding up components...
No, they are still dumb for obsessing about it.

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wow.. so basically unless I can weigh it myself don't believe it?
Or, do like may people do - don't worry about it. If you ever get to the point where a pound or two makes a noticable difference, your team manager should be selecting parts for you from your sponsors' catalogues.
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No, they are still dumb for obsessing about it.



Or, do like may people do - don't worry about it. If you ever get to the point where a pound or two makes a noticable difference, your team manager should be selecting parts for you from your sponsors' catalogues.
I'm not obsessed with it, but being as I'm always curious about most every detail of the bikes I own, weight is a quantity I like to know. Being as I regularly ride a late 70's 27lb touring bike, I think we can safely assume bike weight isn't an issue for me.
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wow.. so basically unless I can weigh it myself don't believe it?
Correctomundo. But as DCB0 points out, weight is one of those things that it is silly to worry too much about. Similar bikes with similar components in similar price ranges will weigh similar amounts. The differences between them will probably not matter to anyone except someone obsessed with comparing bike weights.

Also, it's just not constructive to look at bike weights (if it ever is) on extremely cheap, low quality bicycles. The problems with them are far greater than their weight.
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what he said. A 3oz backpacking stove weighs 1.5lbs??? All packing materials.
Originally Posted by motobecane69 View Post
The weight spec listed on Amazons site is never the actual product weight, it's the listed shipping weight. My new steel framed touring bike from nashbar arrived and it was 51 lbs in the box. the bike it'self is actually about 28. hard to believe that there could be 20lbs of packing materials but there was. kind of wasteful.
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