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Jeff Wills 11-20-11 10:28 PM


Originally Posted by Retro Grouch (Post 13513740)
Somewhere there's a sweet spot between foolishly carefree and obsessively uptight. Everybody draws that line differently.

+100 . People who can cook probably can't fix bikes. I can't cook. If you can do both, more power to you.

digger 11-21-11 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by Retro Grouch (Post 13513740)
Somewhere there's a sweet spot between foolishly carefree and obsessively uptight. Everybody draws that line differently.

This is an excellent point. However, the carefree attitude may not necessarily be a personality trait but due to lack of confidence.

It is wise to have, at the very least, the knowledge to repair a flat. This is typically the issue one would encounter most (yes, I know, someone will chime in and say that they've busted spokes or cables more often than flatted).

At the risk of sounding sexist, I mention this as an interesting fact:

In the bicycle safety courses I give, we cover the basics of bicycle maintenance; flat repair, gear adjustment and brake adjustment, in addition how to safety-check your bike, know the parts and identify a problem.

Women are more incllined, than men, to take a safety course (because men obviously know everything) :rolleyes:

But when it comes to maintenance in those safety courses, I more often than not hear from the women;
"I have a husband for that"
"I have a cell phone"
One lady even said, "I'll just sit on the side of the road and cry until some guy stops to fix it for me."

This seems to be a combination of a lack of interest in maintenance and a lack of confidence.
I often have to step in and shut the males up (because the issue often goes off on a tangent) to allow those ladies to learn the particulars.

Admittedly, when I first started teaching, I had to learn to see the issue from their perspective. In general terms, females often lack the hand strength to get a tire back on over the rim, for example, so we have to discuss ways to do this.

So, maybe carefree, but perhaps for other reasons than is obvious.

HillRider 11-21-11 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by ryanwood (Post 13515768)
I am a commuter, and while I do carry tools, I have no interest in repairing my bike on the side of the road. I leave myself only enough time to get to work, so I wear my office attire on my bike, and I don't have the clothes or time to repair my bike on the road.

My bikes are extremely well maintained, and I run puncture resistant tires so I very very rarely have a problem. On those rare occasions, I lock up my rig and take the nearest bus the rest of the way. Then come back later and repair my bike when it is convenient. I have only had to use the bus once so far this year, and I was able to pick up my bike with my wife's car and repair it in my garage.

This may sound ridiculous, but after 6 years of commuting every day I have found this to be the best use of my time.

You are not the problem we are discussing here as you don't expect someone else to bail you out due to ignorance or selfishness. You take care of yourself but on your own schedule.

rydabent 11-21-11 08:39 AM

A couple more comments if I may. Yes a few times I have stopped to help someone, they did have a new tube, but really didnt know how to use it.

Then as to carring a spare tube. ONe time when I flatted, I patched the tube, but the presta stem broke off when I was inflating the tire. I of course replaced the tube, and used my CO2 cartridges to inflate the tire. Now I always use the CO2 and just carry the mini pump as back up. BTW I have had at least 2 mini pumps fail. For Christmas I have a mini pump with a small hose and gage on my list so as not to stress the presta stem. I will still carry CO2 mainly when riding with a group for faster repair so as not to hold up the ride.

digger 11-21-11 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by rydabent (Post 13516744)
A couple more comments if I may. Yes a few times I have stopped to help someone, they did have a new tube, but really didnt know how to use it.

Then as to carring a spare tube. ONe time when I flatted, I patched the tube, but the presta stem broke off when I was inflating the tire. I of course replaced the tube, and used my CO2 cartridges to inflate the tire. Now I always use the CO2 and just carry the mini pump as back up. BTW I have had at least 2 mini pumps fail. For Christmas I have a mini pump with a small hose and gage on my list so as not to stress the presta stem. I will still carry CO2 mainly when riding with a group for faster repair so as not to hold up the ride.

That sounds like just a series of "Murphy's law" moments to me and it happens.

But the OP question is why don't people try to learn some of the basics of repair or carry the basics? If you're never alone when riding, then sure, "get your husband to do it." But many ride alone, get a flat, and have no clue what to do.

A gave a tube to a guy once who DID know what to do, but didn't have any of the items needed to fix it his flat tire.

I also came accross 2 kids (14ish) on their mountain bikes, and fairly higher quality mtb bikes to boot. One of these kids was riding around with a rear flat tire. When I had taken off the tire to fix it, I counted 17 patches! I patched it (by using another 3 patches). I couldn't give him a tube as I was on my road bike.....

These same types of people drive motor vehicles...and we let them.

ezdoesit 11-21-11 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by well biked (Post 13513436)
Basic skills in bike repair/maintenance are sorely lacking. They've never learned to replace an inner tube, never really wanted to learn for the most part, and especially in this age of cell phones, they see making a phone call to arrange a pick up as the preferable way to deal with a flat tire. Work in a bike shop for a while, and you'll be amazed at the lengths folks will go to in order to avoid fixing a flat themselves.

Personally, I've seen the ability to do on-the-road repairs as a part of riding a bicycle since I was a kid. Crap happens, you gotta be prepared. Currently, I carry one or two extra tubes, tire lever(s), inflation device (pump or Co2 depending on the bike), small patch kit, basic multi-tool w/chain tool, and a chain connector link on all of my bikes on all of my rides.

+1

jolly_ross 11-22-11 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by rydabent (Post 13513457)
well biked

I carry all that plus boots for a tire, a leatherman tool, a 6 in cresent wrench, a bottle of alcohol and rags. Over kill------maybe, but assisting people I have used them all.

What do you do with the alcohol? Drink it when the repair goes horribly wrong perhaps.? ; )

rydabent 11-22-11 08:15 AM

jolly

The acohol is mainly for cleaning dirt and grease off my hands, or the other person I have stopped to help. Altho it would sting like hell it could be used to clean road rash in a pinch.

jebbesen 11-22-11 08:31 AM

Not exactly on point but last week I went on a ride with a guy I'd never rode with previously. About a mile short of our 34 mile ride I noticed he wasn't behind me any longer so I backtracked and found him lying on the path next to his bike. He was suffering from leg cramps, after a 10 minute break we finished.

4 riders (about 50%) slowed to asked if we needed any help or if he was in trouble. Pretty cool if I may say so. Bicycle riders rock!

HillRider 11-22-11 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by jebbesen (Post 13521046)
4 riders (about 50%) slowed to asked if we needed any help or if he was in trouble. Pretty cool if I may say so. Bicycle riders rock!

I've found that pretty common if someone is stopped along side of the road for any reason. I do it for others myself and have been asked if I need help even if I just stop to look around or remove/put on a jacket.

con 11-22-11 08:55 AM

Other than in town, I can't remember coming across a rider who did not have what they needed to patch a tire. I have helped out those that had more flats than they were prepared for, helping with CO2, tubes, patches, etc. Almost every time I slow and ask a stopped rider doing repair if they are ok, I get an OK or a thumbs up as a response.

Now traveling on my motorcycle, that is another story. Very few carry tire patch gear and I have repaired my share of others tires on the road.

Zef 11-22-11 01:52 PM

Personnaly, I do not like to carry tools with slight exception. I recall a long time ago back when I was racing Junior category I was on a training ride and stopped to adjust the height of my saddle. I did not NEED to adjust it but I wanted to and that was facilitated by the fact that I had some tools to do it in the pouch under my saddle. I wound up snapping the seatpost binder bolt in half and had to ride about 30 miles home standing.

Since that day the only tools I carry when I ride are tire levers, a pump, spare tube, a small patch kit, and a $10 bill.

The $10 bill serves double duty as emergency funds and tire boot if I need it.

My philosophy is that repair and maintenance work should be done at home not during a ride. The side of the road is not the ideal place to true wheels, adjust headsets, etc. Of course there are unforseen circumstances that can render even the best maintained bike unridable unless fixed...my thoughts are that when this happens it is time to call home/a friend/a taxi for a ride home or back to the car. My philosophy is the side of the road is not the place to make major repairs...If the bike suffers a mechanical failure bad enough that I need tools to fix it then either I have either not been properly maintaining the bike or the mechanical problem is too great to be doing road side repair and I should be looking into alternate means to get back to my point of origin.

Granted I only apply this philosophy road cycling general training/pleasure rides. Loaded touring and venturing into the woods on a mt bike are different beasts all together and require a different type/level of preparedness.

-j


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