Bought a wheel with the sticker orientation backwards, what to do?
12-30-11, 10:38 PM
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I go radial NDS or die! J/K. Although I guess the new trend is radial drive side. So mixing leading/trailing inside/outside probably won't make a huge difference but yeah, that's not exactly proper practice.
I don't think I'm big enough to bring out any problems that might create as long as the wheel is tensioned properly.
I don't think I'm big enough to bring out any problems that might create as long as the wheel is tensioned properly.
12-30-11, 11:01 PM
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Thanks for pointing that out. I think that's the most productive observation yet. I'm not a wheelbuilder, though, but I did notice at least one thing that didn't match my other wheels.
Is the lacing incorrect, just bad practice, or just not how you would do it personally?
Amidst the fires burning here, I'll take whatever knowledge offered.
Is the lacing incorrect, just bad practice, or just not how you would do it personally?
Amidst the fires burning here, I'll take whatever knowledge offered.
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I figure for about $80 more than what I paid for this set, I could have a set built by an experienced wheel builder, which was what I was going to do, before a friend told me about the price of these. It seems it may no longer be a matter of aesthetics. Is this a shoddy build?
12-30-11, 11:07 PM
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The general consensus is that it's better to orient the spokes so that they pinch when they get pulled on by drive forces. This gives more clearance for the derailer when in the low gear, but it doesn't really matter as long as the RD is properly setup so it stays outside of the wheel.
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12-30-11, 11:43 PM
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12-31-11, 01:11 AM
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I see what you're saying, looking at another wheel installed on a bike and comparing the two. After reading up on it a little more, it makes sense. I also understand it's not a safety or longevity concern, just a different, if slightly non-standard, methodology. I also believe that these wheels may have been built by a less experienced builder, hence the price tag. Lesson learned, knowledge gained.
12-31-11, 05:44 AM
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County, While I much prefer the tradition of aligning the hub and rim in the conventional way, a rim's label being reversed shouldn't be unexpected on a bargain priced wheelset. Either remove and realign the label, remove it all together or just live with it... whatever it takes to enjoy the bike.
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12-31-11, 05:55 AM
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12-31-11, 07:01 AM
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The A-319 is nice, heavy, bullet proof, touring rim so go for a tour and think it over for a few weeks.
12-31-11, 08:09 AM
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I really miss the days when folks bought bikes just to ride them. Now all kinds on meaningless minutiae are being treated as being material.
It was bad enough when folks started wanting to read the hub name through the valve hole (no big deal), even though it isn't possible once the valve is in. Now they make a fuss if tires aren't mounted with the label centered at the valve, and rim labels have a right and wrong side.
It's getting ridiculous, lets separate what matters, from what's just cute. It's a bike, it gets ridden, and in the process will get beat up a bit. If you're buying a bike to hang over the mantle, tell the seller so he pays attention to the cosmetic details, instead of the mechanical ones.
It was bad enough when folks started wanting to read the hub name through the valve hole (no big deal), even though it isn't possible once the valve is in. Now they make a fuss if tires aren't mounted with the label centered at the valve, and rim labels have a right and wrong side.
It's getting ridiculous, lets separate what matters, from what's just cute. It's a bike, it gets ridden, and in the process will get beat up a bit. If you're buying a bike to hang over the mantle, tell the seller so he pays attention to the cosmetic details, instead of the mechanical ones.
Anyway, yes, the mechanical soundness of the machine is more important than the aesthetics atmo.
12-31-11, 08:33 AM
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12-31-11, 08:36 AM
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I have a set of Shimano WH-R560 wheels I bought about 4 years ago and the rear has 20 bladed spokes built radial ds, 2X NDS. The head's of the straight spokes are at the rim and the nipples are at the hub. They work fine, probably because of the very rigid hub shell and hub flanges.
12-31-11, 09:25 AM
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So I bought a wheelset for a really good price, but I noticed that the rim to hub orientation is reversed for the rear wheel. For the front wheel, the rim sticker is readable from the drive side, and the hub lettering is readable as seated on the bike. Which is correct, for the anally retentive, er, I mean the particular.
Now on the rear wheel, the rim is reversed in relation to the hub. See photo.
As mechBgon says, the asymmetrical lacing is far more bothersome.
What to do?
a. Return the wheelset, because if they messed this up, they probably aren't very good wheel builders.
b. Mount the front on the bike correctly, which results in the two rims "facing" opposite directions.
c. Reverse the front wheel, so both stickers face the wrong direction (nds) and consequently the front hub lettering will be reversed as well.
d. Take apart the rear wheel and rebuild it the correct way. (If that is even recommended, ie. using the same spokes).
Please help me choose!
Now on the rear wheel, the rim is reversed in relation to the hub. See photo.
As mechBgon says, the asymmetrical lacing is far more bothersome.
What to do?
a. Return the wheelset, because if they messed this up, they probably aren't very good wheel builders.
b. Mount the front on the bike correctly, which results in the two rims "facing" opposite directions.
c. Reverse the front wheel, so both stickers face the wrong direction (nds) and consequently the front hub lettering will be reversed as well.
d. Take apart the rear wheel and rebuild it the correct way. (If that is even recommended, ie. using the same spokes).
Please help me choose!
If you look at your front wheel, I have the feeling that you will find the logo on the hub is upside down when you straddle the bike. Turn the front wheel around and you'll have the label on the correct side and the logo will be right-side up and readable.
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12-31-11, 09:31 AM
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Rims have always been unidirectional...and handed. There are left handed rims (most common) and right handed rims (very rare). For left handed rims, the first spoke hole to the right of the valve hole is offset to the top of the centerline of the rim when the label is pointing down. Right hand rims have that spoke hole is below the center line
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12-31-11, 10:11 AM
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I really miss the days when folks bought bikes just to ride them. Now all kinds on meaningless minutiae are being treated as being material.
It was bad enough when folks started wanting to read the hub name through the valve hole (no big deal), even though it isn't possible once the valve is in. Now they make a fuss if tires aren't mounted with the label centered at the valve, and rim labels have a right and wrong side.
It's getting ridiculous, lets separate what matters, from what's just cute. It's a bike, it gets ridden, and in the process will get beat up a bit. If you're buying a bike to hang over the mantle, tell the seller so he pays attention to the cosmetic details, instead of the mechanical ones.
It was bad enough when folks started wanting to read the hub name through the valve hole (no big deal), even though it isn't possible once the valve is in. Now they make a fuss if tires aren't mounted with the label centered at the valve, and rim labels have a right and wrong side.
It's getting ridiculous, lets separate what matters, from what's just cute. It's a bike, it gets ridden, and in the process will get beat up a bit. If you're buying a bike to hang over the mantle, tell the seller so he pays attention to the cosmetic details, instead of the mechanical ones.
12-31-11, 12:26 PM
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You should switch your drivetrain to the left side of the bike. I did this when I converted to single speed and couldn't be happier
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Oh, man. Now how do I decide if the flip/flop wheel I built is correct?
12-31-11, 12:35 PM
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Mounting tires this way is for practical purposes. Makes it easier to deal with flats. When you find the location of the puncture in the tube, you can easily line the stem of the tube with the label on the tire to determine where to examine the tire for the cause of the flat. As for the other stuff, just shows pride in workmanship which may or may not be important to you.
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12-31-11, 12:37 PM
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Which is why most of the single speed wheels I build are label free. Even the hubs about 50% of the time are label free...
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