Bought a wheel with the sticker orientation backwards, what to do?
12-30-11, 08:08 PM
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Bought a wheel with the sticker orientation backwards, what to do?
So I bought a wheelset for a really good price, but I noticed that the rim to hub orientation is reversed for the rear wheel. For the front wheel, the rim sticker is readable from the drive side, and the hub lettering is readable as seated on the bike. Which is correct, for the anally retentive, er, I mean the particular.
Now on the rear wheel, the rim is reversed in relation to the hub. See photo.
What to do?
a. Return the wheelset, because if they messed this up, they probably aren't very good wheel builders.
b. Mount the front on the bike correctly, which results in the two rims "facing" opposite directions.
c. Reverse the front wheel, so both stickers face the wrong direction (nds) and consequently the front hub lettering will be reversed as well.
d. Take apart the rear wheel and rebuild it the correct way. (If that is even recommended, ie. using the same spokes).
Please help me choose!
Now on the rear wheel, the rim is reversed in relation to the hub. See photo.
What to do?
a. Return the wheelset, because if they messed this up, they probably aren't very good wheel builders.
b. Mount the front on the bike correctly, which results in the two rims "facing" opposite directions.
c. Reverse the front wheel, so both stickers face the wrong direction (nds) and consequently the front hub lettering will be reversed as well.
d. Take apart the rear wheel and rebuild it the correct way. (If that is even recommended, ie. using the same spokes).
Please help me choose!
12-30-11, 08:19 PM
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Little details like that always bother me. I would be contacting the seller and ask for a replacement.
12-30-11, 08:23 PM
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Do you have a bike for the purpose of riding it and having fun?
Or do you have a bike, a cup of latte, a yacht, a bottle of '66 and wear a Captain's hat every Sunday morning socializing with mates of pedigree?
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12-30-11, 08:25 PM
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Ummm... why not turn the front wheel around?
I have built many wheels for customers in the past. I never paid attention to which way the deal lined up, and none of the customers ever complained. If you ask the seller and he says "oh, you don't like it? I'll send you another!" then he is a better man than me. Someone as fussy as that is not the kind of customer I would want returning.
I have built many wheels for customers in the past. I never paid attention to which way the deal lined up, and none of the customers ever complained. If you ask the seller and he says "oh, you don't like it? I'll send you another!" then he is a better man than me. Someone as fussy as that is not the kind of customer I would want returning.
12-30-11, 08:33 PM
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I call it attention to detail.
I wouldn't want to return to a shop that doesn't care about that.
I think it's sloppy craftsmanship.
By the way, I have six other wheelsets, and they are all oriented the same way as I feel this wheelset should, "correct" or not.
I wouldn't want to return to a shop that doesn't care about that.
I think it's sloppy craftsmanship.
By the way, I have six other wheelsets, and they are all oriented the same way as I feel this wheelset should, "correct" or not.
12-30-11, 08:35 PM
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12-30-11, 08:37 PM
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Since you say you got it for a good price I'd just keep it. Maybe even remove the stickers on one or both rims.
If you had paid a price that includes a premium for a "Handbuilt" wheel then I'd return it in a heartbeat. (oh, and of course if it was an asym rim, but those don't look to be)
As it is the wheel was likely built by a robot. Probably human error stacking the rims for the robot wheelbuild machine that day. I don't think I'd suspect build quality vs. any other robot build's quality based on a flipped rim in this case.
If you had paid a price that includes a premium for a "Handbuilt" wheel then I'd return it in a heartbeat. (oh, and of course if it was an asym rim, but those don't look to be)
As it is the wheel was likely built by a robot. Probably human error stacking the rims for the robot wheelbuild machine that day. I don't think I'd suspect build quality vs. any other robot build's quality based on a flipped rim in this case.
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12-30-11, 08:45 PM
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..they have a great train too!
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12-30-11, 08:47 PM
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Since you say you got it for a good price I'd just keep it. Maybe even remove the stickers on one or both rims.
If you had paid a price that includes a premium for a "Handbuilt" wheel then I'd return it in a heartbeat. (oh, and of course if it was an asym rim, but those don't look to be)
As it is the wheel was likely built by a robot. Probably human error stacking the rims for the robot wheelbuild machine that day. I don't think I'd suspect build quality vs. any other robot build's quality based on a flipped rim in this case.
If you had paid a price that includes a premium for a "Handbuilt" wheel then I'd return it in a heartbeat. (oh, and of course if it was an asym rim, but those don't look to be)
As it is the wheel was likely built by a robot. Probably human error stacking the rims for the robot wheelbuild machine that day. I don't think I'd suspect build quality vs. any other robot build's quality based on a flipped rim in this case.
Heat gun to both...done!
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Me suspects though he wants to "show off" the Mavic label...
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5. My all time favorite book is:
Kahane, Howard. Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life
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12-30-11, 09:14 PM
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a. Remove all the stickers.
b. Live with it.
c. Re-build the problem wheel.
d. Throw the wheel through the shop window. Send a message.
b. Live with it.
c. Re-build the problem wheel.
d. Throw the wheel through the shop window. Send a message.
12-30-11, 09:21 PM
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The shop window thing made me think, hmmm maybe the OP did buy at LBS.
If that's the case, and you really can't stand it, then I'd take it back for refund unless it's like an hour + drive to the shop.
It just doesn't make any sense to rebuild the wheel after it's laced up. They'll just hold onto it until someone who doesn't care about rim orientation and likes wheels for good deals comes along.
If that's the case, and you really can't stand it, then I'd take it back for refund unless it's like an hour + drive to the shop.
It just doesn't make any sense to rebuild the wheel after it's laced up. They'll just hold onto it until someone who doesn't care about rim orientation and likes wheels for good deals comes along.
12-30-11, 09:22 PM
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If you bought the wheel for "a really good price", did you expect 100% asthetics?. Turn the front wheel around and enjoy the bargain.
12-30-11, 09:28 PM
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Why was the rim sold at a good price (not sure if you bought from mail order, LBS, craigslist, ebay...) For example, does the low cost justify the cosmetic blemish? Stated another way, would you pay full price for the proper sticker orientation?
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12-30-11, 09:40 PM
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I would take it back, sticker put on wrong will throw the whole balance off. This happened to one of my wheelsets, the front wheel was missing a sticker on the right side, damn thing wobbled me into an OCD fit.
12-30-11, 09:41 PM
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Mount some tires & go ride!
12-30-11, 09:54 PM
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I got the set for about 60% of what they would normally go for, not LBS or very local, and they weren't marked down because the rim was reversed. That being said, what's going to happen is the front wheel will be turned around and I'll live with it, but it will bug me. That's how I am, and I'm sure I'm not alone. My LBS has mechanics who are like that; every headset oriented the same way (lettering to the front), same with tire to rim orientation, etc. Considering that all my other wheelsets, stock, machine or hand built, are all the same, it didn't occur to me that there wasn't a "standard". Now I know. In the future, I'll ask beforehand if it matters to me. Thanks for the replies.
12-30-11, 10:06 PM
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Hub emblems are supposed to be right-reading when viewed through the valve hole while viewer faces forward, IIRC.
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It may bug you initially, but you probably won't give it a second thought in a couple of weeks. Some other issue will arise and push this one to the back.
Enjoy your new rims.
12-30-11, 10:12 PM
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I find it ironic that you're complaining about the sticker orientation, and not saying a word about the non-symmetrical lacing pattern. Outside pulling on the driveside, inside pulling on the non-driveside... now THAT would bug me. Heh, and extra-long spoke nipples too. The sticker? I'd just heat it up, unstick it, and rotate it 180° if it mattered to me.
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I really miss the days when folks bought bikes just to ride them. Now all kinds on meaningless minutiae are being treated as being material.
It was bad enough when folks started wanting to read the hub name through the valve hole (no big deal), even though it isn't possible once the valve is in. Now they make a fuss if tires aren't mounted with the label centered at the valve, and rim labels have a right and wrong side.
It's getting ridiculous, lets separate what matters, from what's just cute. It's a bike, it gets ridden, and in the process will get beat up a bit. If you're buying a bike to hang over the mantle, tell the seller so he pays attention to the cosmetic details, instead of the mechanical ones.
It was bad enough when folks started wanting to read the hub name through the valve hole (no big deal), even though it isn't possible once the valve is in. Now they make a fuss if tires aren't mounted with the label centered at the valve, and rim labels have a right and wrong side.
It's getting ridiculous, lets separate what matters, from what's just cute. It's a bike, it gets ridden, and in the process will get beat up a bit. If you're buying a bike to hang over the mantle, tell the seller so he pays attention to the cosmetic details, instead of the mechanical ones.
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12-30-11, 10:32 PM
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that's a load bearing decal.
you can rotate it by pealing it with a hair dryer or heat gun and turning it 180 degrees.
you can rotate it by pealing it with a hair dryer or heat gun and turning it 180 degrees.
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I find it ironic that you're complaining about the sticker orientation, and not saying a word about the non-symmetrical lacing pattern. Outside pulling on the driveside, inside pulling on the non-driveside... now THAT would bug me. Heh, and extra-long spoke nipples too. The sticker? I'd just heat it up, unstick it, and rotate it 180° if it mattered to me.
Is the lacing incorrect, just bad practice, or just not how you would do it personally?
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