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Can Phil Wood rear track hub be spaced to 135mm??

Old 01-14-12, 02:23 PM
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Can Phil Wood rear track hub be spaced to 135mm??

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I've got a pair of wheels laced up with Phil Wood hubs, standard 110F/120R spacing. I have a single speed Ti cross frame on the way and it has 135mm rear spacing. I've seen replacement spacers from Phil that are 126 and 130mm, but never a 135mm. I've already tried emailing Phil Wood, they say they don't make anything that will expand the hub that wide. Does anyone here know of a way to match my hub to 135mm? It's not too late for me to have the frame adjusted, but it'll be another $200 because the rear triangle was already made... I'd prefer to find a cheaper solution. Thanks! - mark
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It seems to me your best solution would be a different hub. That way, you can take advantage of the extra width to build a stronger rear wheel. Also, the chainline won't be as weird with a "conventional" single-speed hub. There's lots of 135mm SS hubs listed here: http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...?category=1703
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Not really an option for me though as I just laced the Phil's specifically for this bike. The last thing I want to do is buy another hub to fix the problem.

The more I think about it the more I'm leaning to getting the frame respaced to 130 so I would have the option of using my other wheels from my geared cross bike and road bike hrmmm... should have been more careful from the start
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If you just built these wheels- what's the problem? Take the rear apart, swap out the hub, put it back together. Ebay the "incorrect" hub. I've done that dozens of times with wheels I wasn't happy with on the first try.
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http://sheldonbrown.com/frame-spacing.html hope this helps =D
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Originally Posted by 2bok View Post
Titanium frame.
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The problem with taking apart the rear wheel and re-lacing it to the 'correct' hub - in the case it would be the Phil Wood KISS MTB hub - is that it's a dedicated 135mm hub so I could never use it on any of my other bikes that have standard road or track spacing. I would also have to replace the brand new spokes which would be unfortunate to say the least. I just emailed the frame-builder and asked to have the rear re-built to 130mm. Next time I won't make the same mistake..

- and yes, I also thought about respacing the frame after it arrives as Sheldon Brown describes, but it's a Ti frame and I don't believe it's as straight forward as steel. Plus the idea of bending a brand new custom frame right out of the box makes me cringe.
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Expecting to be able to swap parts freely between CX and track bikes will leave you with parts that aren't optimal for either bike.
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Originally Posted by theworldisours View Post
The problem with taking apart the rear wheel and re-lacing it to the 'correct' hub - in the case it would be the Phil Wood KISS MTB hub - is that it's a dedicated 135mm hub so I could never use it on any of my other bikes that have standard road or track spacing. I would also have to replace the brand new spokes which would be unfortunate to say the least. I just emailed the frame-builder and asked to have the rear re-built to 130mm. Next time I won't make the same mistake..

- and yes, I also thought about respacing the frame after it arrives as Sheldon Brown describes, but it's a Ti frame and I don't believe it's as straight forward as steel. Plus the idea of bending a brand new custom frame right out of the box makes me cringe.
You don't have to replace the spokes. Just make sure that the spokes on the inside of the flange stay on the inside, and the outside ones stay on the outside. I've done this on a few wheels and never had a problem.
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Originally Posted by Bezalel View Post
Expecting to be able to swap parts freely between CX and track bikes will leave you with parts that aren't optimal for either bike.
Normally I'd agree, but there isn't any reason I shouldn't be able to use standard Phil Wood track hubs for SS cross either. Phil makes 130mm space conversions, so it will be quite simple to switch from one bike to another.
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Unless the required spoke length is different, which I suspect would be the case since the KISS hub's flanges are further apart from each other.
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Re the hub, de lace it, minus FW/cog, from the wheel or ship whole wheel.
Ship it back to PW. and say what axle you need ..
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
Re the hub, de lace it, minus FW/cog, from the wheel or ship whole wheel.
Ship it back to PW. and say what axle you need ..
The OP already contacted PW and they said they don't make a 135 mm axle for that hub.
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