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Breaking freewheel's apart
Turned out much easier than I had anticipated. I don't have two chain whips.. and found the S Brown pic on the Harris site difficult to arrange (using a scrap chain to hold a cog.. that held in a vice). So.. I just attached the free wheel to my bench.. using drywall screws with the portable drill. Taking care NOT to add too much downward tension when tightening them to avoid any potential bending etc. Two them came loose fine.. one was very stubborn which got a dose of Liquid Wrench. This last stubborn FW I used washers to shim the spacing between the bench and the cogs.. tightening them down then meant no possible bending. Cog to screw contact was very minimal.. to avoid any cog damage.
One chain whip.. the portable drill.. now I have that 28T on the end of the set. |
There used to be "freewheel vises" commercially available that were basically two adjustable pins on a base. The pins went into the gaps between opposing teeth on the largest cog and held the whole thing in place while a single chainwhip was used to unthread the top one or two cogs. It sounds like you improvised the same thing.
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Originally Posted by HillRider
(Post 13863352)
There used to be "freewheel vises" commercially available that were basically two adjustable pins on a base. The pins went into the gaps between opposing teeth on the largest cog and held the whole thing in place while a single chainwhip was used to unthread the top one or two cogs. It sounds like you improvised the same thing.
I'd consider purchasing one...... |
Here is Sheldon Brown's reproduction of the Var catalog page showing their freewheel vises from (he thought) the early '80's. http://sheldonbrown.com/var/pages/var0029.html
AFAIK, these are long out of production and I have no idea where you might find one. E-bay? The C&V forum here might have some leads if you really want one. |
I chuck the freewheel in a bench vise, and use an air hammer to remove the lockring. Takes like 5 seconds.
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Originally Posted by FunkyStickman
(Post 13863745)
I chuck the freewheel in a bench vise, and use an air hammer to remove the lockring. Takes like 5 seconds.
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I've taken a bunch of old freewheels apart by screwing them to my benchtop with drywall screws and small washers, then using a home-made chainwhip on them. If it's stubborn a few taps with a rubber mallet or deadblow usually persuade them off with no ill consequences.
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Originally Posted by HillRider
(Post 13863770)
Freewheels don't have lockrings
http://www.parktool.com/uploads/imag...help/fr302.jpg I still can't fathom using an air hammer on it tho ;) |
Originally Posted by HillRider
(Post 13863770)
Freewheels don't have lockrings
I for one would like to see a pic of the fitting that goes on the air wrench to fit that last cog... |
Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
(Post 13866660)
(most)
http://www.parktool.com/uploads/imag...help/fr302.jpg I still can't fathom using an air hammer on it tho ;) BTW, do the cogs all slip on and off like a cassette and are they unique to the freewheel or will they also fit on a freehub body? |
Originally Posted by HillRider
(Post 13867561)
Interesting and I obviously haven't come across this type before. That must be one of the most recent 7-speed Shimano's and, indeed, there does appear to be a lockring but it's so thin I wonder if any hook spanner can get adequate purchase to remove it. An air hammer? How?
BTW, do the cogs all slip on and off like a cassette and are they unique to the freewheel or will they also fit on a freehub body? I use a small air hammer, looks like this: http://jeffhendricks.net/images/bikes/stingray-019.jpg http://jeffhendricks.net/images/bikes/stingray-020.jpg You can see the freewheel body is stepped, you can only use larger cogs on the big end and small ones on the small end. And no, they don't fit on a freehub body. I turn the PSI down on the compressor and use the air hammer to remove the lockring, just give it a few bumps at a time until it starts moving. |
OK, I mostly dealt with Sun Tour freewheels in the past and was used to the threaded top cog(s) and I did know about the two different body diameters. I'm not that conversant with Shimano's freewheels. Live and loin'.
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Originally Posted by HillRider
(Post 13867827)
Live and loin'.
These 'new generation' freewheels.. my experience is mostly with the aforementioned Suntours. How is the cog wear on the new ones? Only newer one I have used is what I believe is called a Z body Shimano.. and it's a good thing I got them cheeep.. cause their didn't wear very well. Granted winter conditions.. but still the wear rate was fast. I have I see now a newer Falcon sitting here.. which does have the lock ring. I mention them because the steel appears to be somewhat thicker and better quality than the SHimano Z's. Any input on how these Falcon freewheels wear? My old favorite Suntour is 13-14-15-16-19-23-28 now after taking the 21 out and adding the 28. A 1 by 7 is the plan. |
Originally Posted by SortaGrey
(Post 13868241)
I have I see now a newer Falcon sitting here.. which does have the lock ring. I mention them because the steel appears to be somewhat thicker and better quality than the SHimano Z's. Any input on how these Falcon freewheels wear?
I also have a newer SunRace 13-25 7sp freewheel (the company that bought out Sturmey Archer) and it's been fantastic, no complaints. |
Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
(Post 13866653)
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Originally Posted by SortaGrey
(Post 13868241)
I have I see now a newer Falcon sitting here.. which does have the lock ring. I mention them because the steel appears to be somewhat thicker and better quality than the SHimano Z's. Any input on how these Falcon freewheels wear?
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+1 I agree with HillRider .
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Originally Posted by bikeman715
(Post 13869576)
+1 I agree with HillRider .
13-25's... for me.. misses the 14 cog. Then the 14-28's lack a 15... those I find a 22 cog a waste of a hole. |
Anybody up for swapping some freewheel cogs?
I have a 34 tooth from a Suntour perfect five.. along with the threaded 14 t for the end. Both very nice shape. Looking for a nice threaded 16t. |
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