Optimal spoke tension?
I'm building my first wheelset and have my wheels laced and the front wheel fairly true (still need to stress relieve and might need to do a better job of making sure the elbows are flush against the hub, so I have a ways to go though). One thing I don't seem to have a handle on is how much tension to put on the spokes.
I tried a basic google search but didn't come up with an obvious number/table for the spokes I'm using. I'm using Sapim Race spokes (14-15-14 double butted). Also Mavic XM317 26" rims and some Shimano 105 hubs from the late 90's (old but unused) if that matters. Anybody have access to a nice table or solid number I should be shooting for? Sorry if it's somewhere obvious that I'm just missing. Also, I'm using Park's tensionmeter (TM-1?). It comes with a conversion table for converting meter readings into tension based on spoke thickness. Since my spokes are double butted, I wasn't sure which conversion to use. I was assuming that, since I'm measuring tension in the 15g region of the spoke, that I should use the 15g conversion factor rather than the 14g column, right? Once again, thanks for all your help. |
Generally, the rim manufacturer give a recommended spoke tension. Use the 15g tension.
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Hmm, so I need to find out where the optimal spoke tension for my rims is, I guess then. Doesn't look like Mavic makes that information easy to find either.
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huh, it looks like someone says that Mavic recommends 70-90 kgf for most of their rims. Can't find it on Mavic's site anywhere. Does that sound like reasonable range? I just checked a set of wheels I bought recently (also mavic rims) but haven't mounted yet that the guy said were machine built but then retensioned and trued by hand and that had spokes in the 100-125 or so range, so I was sort of surprised to see mavic's recommendation being lower so low.
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I uually go for 110kg on a 32 to 36 spoke wheel. Fewer spokes will require more tension.
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Yeah these are 32 spokes wheels. I've been following Sheldon Brown's directions for 3x wheels. I should probably post some pictures to make sure they look like they're laced right. I was surprised at how much of a tangent the trailing spokes come out of the wheel.
And if I get the wheel all true and everything (and stress-relieved), if it's below that tension, I just turn all nipples equally until it's roughly at the right tension, right? Also, if they're true, but the tension isn't even, should I leave it, or how do I address getting tension even without losing true? |
Mavic provides number in Newtons which when converted come out to about 111-113 kgf for their rims. (Not their proprietary wheels...).
Use the the "Round 1.8" column on the Park Tool chart...make sure the tool only clamps the 15g portion of the spoke. Get the front up around at least 95 kgf. Get the rear drive side up to or close to 110 kgf with wheel trued AND dished. =8-) |
Also to answer you other question, Mavic on occasion will give you a rim where the spokes near the joint will not have tension in the same ballpark as the others. I.e., you might have one undertensioned and one overtensioned.
=8-) |
I tighten mine until one nipple strips then I back off 1/2 turn and replace the nipple.
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Originally Posted by Charles Ramsey
(Post 14258777)
I tighten mine until one nipple strips then I back off 1/2 turn and replace the nipple.
Unsure of where you are at. Um...okay... =8-) |
Sounds like a good way to gain experience.
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Originally Posted by himespau
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Hmm, so I need to find out where the optimal spoke tension for my rims is, I guess then. Doesn't look like Mavic makes that information easy to find either.
The last wheels I built that way (Mavic Reflex front, Open Pro rear, MA40 rear) ended up around 110kgf front and rear drive side which is exactly what I tried for after getting a Park TM-1. |
Originally Posted by Charles Ramsey
(Post 14258777)
I tighten mine until one nipple strips then I back off 1/2 turn and replace the nipple.
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See, you'll learn all kinds of things.
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Not everybody wants or needs a tension meter. I don't trust them to be accurate and there is no science for how tight a spoke should be. You can build wheels without fancy equipment. I use motor oil for the nipples there is always some in a parking lot.
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Originally Posted by Charles Ramsey
(Post 14258777)
I tighten mine until one nipple strips then I back off 1/2 turn and replace the nipple.
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Originally Posted by Charles Ramsey
(Post 14258777)
I tighten mine until one nipple strips then I back off 1/2 turn and replace the nipple.
Originally Posted by Charles Ramsey
(Post 14260596)
Not everybody wants or needs a tension meter. I don't trust them to be accurate and there is no science for how tight a spoke should be. You can build wheels without fancy equipment. I use motor oil for the nipples there is always some in a parking lot.
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...1#post14195320 |
Originally Posted by TandemGeek
(Post 14284516)
You don't suppose that there's a relationship between your wheel tensioning technique and your rim failures, do you?
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