Is this a crack in my rim?
08-21-12, 08:08 AM
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*SOLVED*Is this a crack in my rim?
Got my first real bike a raleigh misceo a few months ago. Was cleaning her up today and noticed this line on the front rim. There isn't one on the rear. It seems to be uniform and goes all the way around the rim. Could it be a seam? Are wheels even made that way? Sorry for the crappy at-work pics.
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Are you a troll?
Cause I was wondering why you didn't include a photo of the back side of the rim...
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Cause I was wondering why you didn't include a photo of the back side of the rim...
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You clearly do not understand what trolling is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
AT LEAST YOU AREN'T FLAMING !!!!!11111 ROFL WTF HAHAHAHAHA WHATEVS
...Sometimes being "internet-y" is best left to the younger generations...
But for the record no, i'm not a troll. I'm a lurker, I've been here for 6 months reading everything you all write. I haven't needed to post anything until now, i.e. everything had already been addressed in old discussions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
AT LEAST YOU AREN'T FLAMING !!!!!11111 ROFL WTF HAHAHAHAHA WHATEVS
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But for the record no, i'm not a troll. I'm a lurker, I've been here for 6 months reading everything you all write. I haven't needed to post anything until now, i.e. everything had already been addressed in old discussions.
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Isn't that the seam?
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Yes, looks like the normal seam of the rim in which case it should be directly opposite the valve hole. Look closely at the other rim and you should find one there too - maybe it's just not as obvious.
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You clearly do not understand what trolling is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
AT LEAST YOU AREN'T FLAMING !!!!!11111 ROFL WTF HAHAHAHAHA WHATEVS
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But for the record no, i'm not a troll. I'm a lurker, I've been here for 6 months reading everything you all write. I haven't needed to post anything until now, i.e. everything had already been addressed in old discussions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
AT LEAST YOU AREN'T FLAMING !!!!!11111 ROFL WTF HAHAHAHAHA WHATEVS
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But for the record no, i'm not a troll. I'm a lurker, I've been here for 6 months reading everything you all write. I haven't needed to post anything until now, i.e. everything had already been addressed in old discussions.
=8-)
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If an experienced rider asked this, I might have responded similarly to mrrabbit (or not at all) but I'm more sympathetic to newbies who simply don't know.
This is clearly a seam, or as I prefer to call it, a joint. Rims are hollow extrusions (like elbow macaroni) which are produced in long continuous lengths, cut to length, and rolled into hoops, which are kept together with pins or inserts on the hollow(s) to stabilize the joint. Some rims glue, or pin the joint, but this is unnecessary since the rim is under compression and it's impossible to spread the joint once the rim is laced into a wheel.
Generally the joint is placed opposite the valve hole to partly counterbalance the valve, and covered with a label so it all looks nicer.
Rims can also have welded joints which are less visible, or not visible at all if the brake track is machined.
BTW- to the newbie, there's nothing wrong with curiosity, but don't go over your bike with a magnifying glass obsessing over every little possible defect. Bikes are for riding, not obsessing over (save that for your love life).
This is clearly a seam, or as I prefer to call it, a joint. Rims are hollow extrusions (like elbow macaroni) which are produced in long continuous lengths, cut to length, and rolled into hoops, which are kept together with pins or inserts on the hollow(s) to stabilize the joint. Some rims glue, or pin the joint, but this is unnecessary since the rim is under compression and it's impossible to spread the joint once the rim is laced into a wheel.
Generally the joint is placed opposite the valve hole to partly counterbalance the valve, and covered with a label so it all looks nicer.
Rims can also have welded joints which are less visible, or not visible at all if the brake track is machined.
BTW- to the newbie, there's nothing wrong with curiosity, but don't go over your bike with a magnifying glass obsessing over every little possible defect. Bikes are for riding, not obsessing over (save that for your love life).
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Look at all those old empty Zoloft bottles in the first picture.
We talked about OCD once before here, but it's obviously been lost on you..............[h=2]Rim Label etiquette[/h]
@adventure_dave: the term "cracked" refers to a variety of states, but your rim is not in one of them.
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If an experienced rider asked this, I might have responded similarly to mrrabbit (or not at all) but I'm more sympathetic to newbies who simply don't know.
This is clearly a seam, or as I prefer to call it, a joint. Rims are hollow extrusions (like elbow macaroni) which are produced in long continuous lengths, cut to length, and rolled into hoops, which are kept together with pins or inserts on the hollow(s) to stabilize the joint. Some rims glue, or pin the joint, but this is unnecessary since the rim is under compression and it's impossible to spread the joint once the rim is laced into a wheel.
Generally the joint is placed opposite the valve hole to partly counterbalance the valve, and covered with a label so it all looks nicer.
Rims can also have welded joints which are less visible, or not visible at all if the brake track is machined.
BTW- to the newbie, there's nothing wrong with curiosity, but don't go over your bike with a magnifying glass obsessing over every little possible defect. Bikes are for riding, not obsessing over (save that for your love life).
This is clearly a seam, or as I prefer to call it, a joint. Rims are hollow extrusions (like elbow macaroni) which are produced in long continuous lengths, cut to length, and rolled into hoops, which are kept together with pins or inserts on the hollow(s) to stabilize the joint. Some rims glue, or pin the joint, but this is unnecessary since the rim is under compression and it's impossible to spread the joint once the rim is laced into a wheel.
Generally the joint is placed opposite the valve hole to partly counterbalance the valve, and covered with a label so it all looks nicer.
Rims can also have welded joints which are less visible, or not visible at all if the brake track is machined.
BTW- to the newbie, there's nothing wrong with curiosity, but don't go over your bike with a magnifying glass obsessing over every little possible defect. Bikes are for riding, not obsessing over (save that for your love life).
Thank You!!!!!!
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1. Newly registered user.
2. Structured and organized as indicated by the photo of boxed and sorted bottles in the background.
3. Structured and organized in approach as indicated by photos following clean, straight and sharp line from edge to edge...as opposed to a rough semi-irregular line.
4. ...yet stopped being structured and organized by not removing tire and tube and showing backside.
Simply removing tire and tube would have verified either way 100% - new user knows that by simple logic - yet posts the question anyway.
Hence my raising the troll question and the notation of the lack of third photo.
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2. Structured and organized as indicated by the photo of boxed and sorted bottles in the background.
3. Structured and organized in approach as indicated by photos following clean, straight and sharp line from edge to edge...as opposed to a rough semi-irregular line.
4. ...yet stopped being structured and organized by not removing tire and tube and showing backside.
Simply removing tire and tube would have verified either way 100% - new user knows that by simple logic - yet posts the question anyway.
Hence my raising the troll question and the notation of the lack of third photo.
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It's not Zoloft, It's "Green Tea Fit". I work in a warehouse for an internet based health/beauty supply and my job is to receive product returns. It's a scammy weight loss supplement. If a website offers a gift card to walmart or best buy for $1000 and all's you have to do is sign up for some free trials...Yeah that's us, and it's a total scam.
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There's so much OCD on this forum that it's ridiculous, and I didn't notice the boxes of pill (Zoloft?) bottles in the photo. But I make allowances for newbies that I wouldn't for others. Newbies simply don't know, so what might be OCD in others may simply be worry in a newbie.
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we all ask that newbies (and others) spend time searching for answers before posting a question, and some will get upset when they don't. So here we have someone who never posted before because he did exactly that (taking his word) and therefore doesn't have 50 stupid question posts, and what happens? He's called a Troll
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I love it!!!!
we all ask that newbies (and others) spend time searching for answers before posting a question, and some will get upset when they don't. So here we have someone who never posted before because he did exactly that (taking his word) and therefore doesn't have 50 stupid question posts, and what happens? He's called a Troll
Never a dull moment.
we all ask that newbies (and others) spend time searching for answers before posting a question, and some will get upset when they don't. So here we have someone who never posted before because he did exactly that (taking his word) and therefore doesn't have 50 stupid question posts, and what happens? He's called a Troll
Never a dull moment.
...but somehow didn't know?
Troll
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I agree with this look at the location it does look like a seam from the photo but thats without seeing its actual location.
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It doesn't matter where it is a joint seam is a joint seam, and it would have to be one heck of an exceptional crack to be that perfect.
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On many cheap, standard and entry level rims - you'll find that the valve stem hole will be 1 - 2 off what would be the opposite of the seam. I've seen on occasion steel and alloy rims where the valve stem hole is actually at 90 degrees to the seam.
It happens...no one really cares...except for those with OCD.
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It happens...no one really cares...except for those with OCD.
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Let's be real, we have a perfectly straight, uniform, edge to edge line of unknown origin exactly centered between 2 spoke holes. How much more would we need to recognize it as a seam? If, hypothetically, it turned out that the valve hole was not opposite, would you change your opinion, or simply assume that the rim was misoriented when the valve hole was drilled (it happens)?
It doesn't matter where it is a joint seam is a joint seam, and it would have to be one heck of an exceptional crack to be that perfect.
It doesn't matter where it is a joint seam is a joint seam, and it would have to be one heck of an exceptional crack to be that perfect.
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I stated that this is my first bike...i stated that i didn't know how wheels were constructed...I searched google like crazy for pictures of wheel seems and cracks...no definitive answers...some people on here chimed in and i learned things...However everything mrrabbit has written is not helpful to anyone and does not belong in a help forum...and "3000+ wheels built since 1984" How could you possibly have the boldness to pull that number outta your arse?
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I stated that this is my first bike...i stated that i didn't know how wheels were constructed...I searched google like crazy for pictures of wheel seems and cracks...no definitive answers...some people on here chimed in and i learned things...However everything mrrabbit has written is not helpful to anyone and does not belong in a help forum...and "3000+ wheels built since 1984" How could you possibly have the boldness to pull that number outta your arse
As to that last part, careful there...if you have been lurking as you stated yourself:
"But for the record no, i'm not a troll. I'm a lurker, I've been here for 6 months reading everything you all write. I haven't needed to post anything until now, i.e. everything had already been addressed in old discussions."
...you'd know better.
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5000+ wheels built since 1984...
Disclaimer:
1. I do not claim to be an expert in bicycle mechanics despite my experience.
2. I like anyone will comment in other areas.
3. I do not own the preexisting concepts of DISH and ERD.
4. I will provide information as I always have to others that I believe will help them protect themselves from unscrupulous mechanics.
5. My all time favorite book is:
Kahane, Howard. Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life
5000+ wheels built since 1984...
Disclaimer:
1. I do not claim to be an expert in bicycle mechanics despite my experience.
2. I like anyone will comment in other areas.
3. I do not own the preexisting concepts of DISH and ERD.
4. I will provide information as I always have to others that I believe will help them protect themselves from unscrupulous mechanics.
5. My all time favorite book is:
Kahane, Howard. Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life
08-21-12, 11:42 AM
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Aaaaaaaaaand you're kind of an asshat. Instead of sharing knowledge, you constantly reply to questions reminding people to read stickies before they post. You could at least provide an answer before patronizing a new comer. You're general know-it-all attitude is why I have a hard time becoming part of the community on internet forums. I however am aware that you and your posts do not reflect most people on here. This is still by far the best bike forum online! Horay for BikeForums.net! You guys have been an invaluable resource to me.
08-21-12, 11:44 AM
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What about Rabbits 
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It may not be fancy but it gets me were I need to go.
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It may not be fancy but it gets me were I need to go.
https://www.jtgraphics.net/cyclist_bicycles.htm