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10 speed shifters/derailleurs on 9 speed cassette with 9 speed chain?

Old 08-22-12, 09:18 PM
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10 speed shifters/derailleurs on 9 speed cassette with 9 speed chain?

okay so i've been trying a bike build and i have an ultegra 9 speed cassette and i've been trying to find some used 9 speed sti shifters online and have now realized that the good stuff (105 and above) has been 10 speed for quite some time, and i don't want to buy ancient shifters just so they'll work with my 9 speed derailleur.

I don't have to extra money right now (spent it all on wheels), but i would like to upgrade the cassette and crank probably sometime next january through march.

so can i buy a set of 105 or better shifters with a 10 speed derailleur and use it with my 9 speed cassette, chain and crank?
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Old 08-22-12, 09:24 PM
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Quick answer: No. The indexing is in the shifter so it won't work unless you use a shiftmate.
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9-speed Tiagra STI shifters are quite respectable, so you might look for a set of those. Tiagra 4500 for doubles, or 4503 for triples.
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just saw this, seems too good to be true. It says "set" and the msrp is $399, but the title says st-5603 which is the left/front shifter. is this too good to be true? i do want a double but for this price i can deal with a triple. i would be able to upgrade my cassette too.

i'll look into the tiagra shifters. every time i start to consider them it seems i read about someone bashing them, saying to go for 105's minimum.
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oops forgot link https://www.jensonusa.com/Shifters/Sh...TI-Shifter-Set
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Originally Posted by nolken
You can get NOS 2010 Campagnolo Veloce Ultrashift levers for $125 with a cable set (shiftmate extra to pair with your rear derailleur). Same internals as all the rest of the Ultrashift levers (Centaur, Athena, Chorus, Record, Super Record) except for the brake blade, 10 speed index cam, and no 7g saving lighter rear ratchets like you get on Super Record. Presumably Campagnolo realized that the Ultrashift levers that far down the line was costing them sales of more expensive gruppos (hence the NOS - Ultrashift is Chorus or better with 11 cogs in 2011 and beyond).

3 cogs bigger, 5 cogs smaller, cable routing under the handle bar tape, classic Italian design apart from the black aluminum that's so popular these days. They run doubles and triples.

Here's one source. It ran me $144 with shipping and currency conversion when I ordered a set for spares.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI...m=170861724416

If you can live with the Shimano level of functionality (three cogs bigger, one smaller) you can get much less expensive levers from the UK.

If you do want Shimano shifters take a look at your favorite UK sites (ribble, chain reaction, shiny bikes). Both Campagnolo and Shimano on-line retail prices there can beat US wholesale.

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I'll look into that as well. i never even considered campy because i figured they would be way out of my price range, and i don't really know much about them (not that i know a lot about shimano, but campagnolo is totally uncharted territory)
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actually that brings up another point, could i use a 10 speed chain on the 9 speed chainrings of the crank?
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Originally Posted by nolken
actually that brings up another point, could i use a 10 speed chain on the 9 speed chainrings of the crank?
If the chain fits fine around the crank, then it should be fine. My buddy and I built up an early 90s Bianchi that he had put a Peugeot crankset on. He went to 10 speeds last week. We put the brifters on and new cassette, front derailleur (his was not working right), and new 10 speed chain. The old school (probably early '80s) crank chains worked just fine with no issue.

The crankset is not usually an issue when moving to different speeds, its mainly the rear cassette and matching it to the brifters/shifters.
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cool deal. thanks for all the info. i went ahead and ordered the 105's, i just hope thats actually the pair. the deal seems way too good. I'm going to use the 105's and find a 10s rear derailleur and cassette somewhere. Now i just have to figure out what i'm going to do about using a triple shifter on a double crank
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Originally Posted by nolken
cool deal. thanks for all the info. i went ahead and ordered the 105's, i just hope thats actually the pair. the deal seems way too good. I'm going to use the 105's and find a 10s rear derailleur and cassette somewhere. Now i just have to figure out what i'm going to do about using a triple shifter on a double crank
You won't have to do anything.

Once you get the limit screws adjusted properly on the front derailleur, you then just won't be able to shift into the 3rd position with the brifter. It will just function as a double shifter. Easy peasy.
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Also, you won't need a 10sp rear derailleur, 9sp actuates the same way (for Shimano road RDs).
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awesome. now i just need to find a 10 speed cassette and i'm gold! thank you very much i really appreciate how helpful the cycling community is
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anyone know if how the size the bottom bracket spindle? I know a 110 is 110mm and such, but when they increase the length, for example a 110 increased to a 113, do the increase only the length of the drive side by 3mm, or do they increase each side by 1.5mm? my LBS said the split the difference but according to sheldon brown the japanese spindles only increase the drive side. is it the same with shimano components?
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One thing that's not been mentioned - what about Microshift 9 speed shifters? Reviews have been good, they are reasonably light, and are quite cheap ($140 new?) ST-4500 is also a good option.

FWIW I got a pair of ST-5500 off a big auction site. Lightly used. They're a bit hard to find but they're out there. If I were looking for function I would do microshift but I was trying to complete my 5500 groupset
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i was actually definitely considering the microshift shifters, thought i might give them a try. but then i found the 105's brand new for 140 and i couldn't pass that up.

any ideas on the bottom bracket length?
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i have a 110mm bottom bracket on it right now and i need another 2.5 to 3 mm clearance. if they split it evenly, then i need a 115mm. if they only increase the drive side then i need a 113mm. i just need to know how they divvy up the extra length
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