EMERGENCY Frame Repair (worst I've ever SEEN!)
09-14-12, 01:38 PM
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The good people of China work night and day so that we can have inexpensive and good quality bike frames. There is seldom a reason to be cheap.
09-14-12, 01:59 PM
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Duct tape is no longer the universal end-all in the temporary repair world. Zip ties are making quite a dent in the field and I'm surprised no one suggested using all three elements for the suggested repair. Would it be possible to use zip ties to hold duct tape over the JB Weld?
Sometimes you have to re-kludge or bail from time to time to get home, but
09-14-12, 02:13 PM
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Whoa there fella!
Don't insult duct tape! How dare you!!!
Duct tape has a proud tradition and history. It holds hurricanes at bay. It's on the winner's podium at NASCAR. It keeps hostages compliant so terrorists can be focused and comprehensible when they present their demands on national television. It's in your attic and it's in your basement - keeping your wife and kids warm AND cool. That's a man's peace at home.
So I demand an apology right this instant. The last thing I need is duct tape on my job feeling slighted and depressed - letting me down.
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Don't insult duct tape! How dare you!!!
Duct tape has a proud tradition and history. It holds hurricanes at bay. It's on the winner's podium at NASCAR. It keeps hostages compliant so terrorists can be focused and comprehensible when they present their demands on national television. It's in your attic and it's in your basement - keeping your wife and kids warm AND cool. That's a man's peace at home.
So I demand an apology right this instant. The last thing I need is duct tape on my job feeling slighted and depressed - letting me down.
=8-)
09-14-12, 02:24 PM
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I have a roll of 1" and a roll of 2" on hand that I use for things like protecting frames where cables rub, or under places where speed/cadence sensors are attached. It is a *lot* more expensive than duct tape. I first learned about it from guys I know who do a lot of photo work.
09-14-12, 02:28 PM
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Gaffers tape on this side of the pond is *not* duct tape: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaffer_tape
I have a roll of 1" and a roll of 2" on hand that I use for things like protecting frames where cables rub, or under places where speed/cadence sensors are attached. It is a *lot* more expensive than duct tape. I first learned about it from guys I know who do a lot of photo work.
I have a roll of 1" and a roll of 2" on hand that I use for things like protecting frames where cables rub, or under places where speed/cadence sensors are attached. It is a *lot* more expensive than duct tape. I first learned about it from guys I know who do a lot of photo work.
09-14-12, 02:53 PM
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Ssssshhhhh......
Shimagnolo is just looking for any excuse to post a picture of a nipple...
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Shimagnolo is just looking for any excuse to post a picture of a nipple...
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09-14-12, 04:12 PM
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The warranty thing is why you want to buy from and use your LBS (local bike shop) they will register your purchase and go to bat for you if it breaks. almost all bikes that are ridden a lot eventually have a failure. Almost all bikes are not ridden that much.
Giant warranties very few frames, but gets great PR for it. Dealer does work, and gets paid. You get a free ot low cost for some labor and other parts frame. everyone wins.
Rod
Giant warranties very few frames, but gets great PR for it. Dealer does work, and gets paid. You get a free ot low cost for some labor and other parts frame. everyone wins.
Rod
09-19-12, 03:32 PM
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Actually you didn't mention the warrantee at all in your initial post as quoted below and I don't see it in later post either until your 11:14 post on 13 Sept. Likewise you didn't say you were looking for a temp repair either. So given all that, I hope your got what you were after. Either way you either need a new frame or the services of a TIG welder imho.
" EMERGENCY Frame Repair (worst I've ever SEEN!)
" EMERGENCY Frame Repair (worst I've ever SEEN!)
I have a Giant Lite LA Free Electric Bicycle.
So where my down tube meets the bottom bracket (well what's actually the top of my engine), has snapped. Not cracked. SNAPPED. OFF. Right now I'm just dealing with getting all the plastic guards off the engine/frame, and taking the crank arm off. Afterwards, I have JB Weld epoxy putty. I don't know what the best way to use it is, or if it's the best thing to use at all. Any tips?
Also, when I actually get it permanently welded, will I have to take the whole engine off? I need help!!
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So where my down tube meets the bottom bracket (well what's actually the top of my engine), has snapped. Not cracked. SNAPPED. OFF. Right now I'm just dealing with getting all the plastic guards off the engine/frame, and taking the crank arm off. Afterwards, I have JB Weld epoxy putty. I don't know what the best way to use it is, or if it's the best thing to use at all. Any tips?
Also, when I actually get it permanently welded, will I have to take the whole engine off? I need help!!
09-19-12, 07:04 PM
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09-22-12, 02:27 PM
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If your collective "rational advice" weren't so pretentious and blatantly rude, maybe they wouldn't be disregarded so often. If it weren't for the fact that 90% of my replies were from pretentious-holier-than-thou-I-know-everything-about-everything DICKHOUSES I wouldn't have even tried the fix. I would have taken the advice. The point of the attempt was to prove you wrong for my own personal satisfation. My putty was not just epoxy, I'm not quite that reckless.
I'll have you know, it's still holding just fine. I touch it up once or twice a week. You can say it's "hardly a fix at all, even an emergency one," but I still get to and from work free of injury and with the fix still intact. I do this 5 days a week. I'm happy I did get such pretentious replies, otherwise I would've never tried and succeeded.
Getting the bike tig welded with a sturdy underside reinforcement in 2 weeks.
It's extremely possible and worth it to weld an irreplaceable aluminum frame, so long as one isn't concerned with adding a little more aluminum and weight to the frame.
The heat treatment is hard to access, but do-able and not horribly expensive. I plan to do that in the future. If you're still all so determined to see me fail, I'll be happy to let you know how the weld holds up.
I'll let you know how my Stalk bamboo bicycle built with EPOXY RESINS holds up too. I plan to get one next summer when my wallet's a little thicker.
I hear they're rather sturdy. So epoxy is a joke is it?
THANKYOU ROD (ragtoplvr) for your courteous, knowledged, and useful advice.
THANKYOU CAMILO for the survival kit info. I may not have fixed bike frames, but I've had to do many makeshift emergency repairs on different things, including a boat. It's where I came up with the idea in the first place.
It's not easy, but it's workable to use similar items (to Camilo's survival kit) to temporarily keep a bike frame together. It's horribly unsafe if it's broken in the wrong spot, but mine is broken a pretty nice spot. It continued to ride after it snapped, I didn't stop dead. This was the only reason I figured it was worth a shot since I knew I wouldn't destroy myself. It's worked so far, so have fun with your head in the clouds, because I'm still riding my bike. Nanny nanny boo boo, stick your head in doo doo.
I'll have you know, it's still holding just fine. I touch it up once or twice a week. You can say it's "hardly a fix at all, even an emergency one," but I still get to and from work free of injury and with the fix still intact. I do this 5 days a week. I'm happy I did get such pretentious replies, otherwise I would've never tried and succeeded.
Getting the bike tig welded with a sturdy underside reinforcement in 2 weeks.
It's extremely possible and worth it to weld an irreplaceable aluminum frame, so long as one isn't concerned with adding a little more aluminum and weight to the frame.
The heat treatment is hard to access, but do-able and not horribly expensive. I plan to do that in the future. If you're still all so determined to see me fail, I'll be happy to let you know how the weld holds up.
I'll let you know how my Stalk bamboo bicycle built with EPOXY RESINS holds up too. I plan to get one next summer when my wallet's a little thicker.
I hear they're rather sturdy. So epoxy is a joke is it?
THANKYOU ROD (ragtoplvr) for your courteous, knowledged, and useful advice.
THANKYOU CAMILO for the survival kit info. I may not have fixed bike frames, but I've had to do many makeshift emergency repairs on different things, including a boat. It's where I came up with the idea in the first place.
It's not easy, but it's workable to use similar items (to Camilo's survival kit) to temporarily keep a bike frame together. It's horribly unsafe if it's broken in the wrong spot, but mine is broken a pretty nice spot. It continued to ride after it snapped, I didn't stop dead. This was the only reason I figured it was worth a shot since I knew I wouldn't destroy myself. It's worked so far, so have fun with your head in the clouds, because I'm still riding my bike. Nanny nanny boo boo, stick your head in doo doo.
09-22-12, 03:44 PM
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If ever I have the opportunity to name a product, it'll be called MerkelWeld. Something about the word weld used when it don't have anything to do with welding inspires people to use, mis-use, and then use more of whatever it is you're selling.
Look for MerkelWeld muffins coming soon to a store near you. I now pronounce the thread dead.
Look for MerkelWeld muffins coming soon to a store near you. I now pronounce the thread dead.
09-22-12, 04:48 PM
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If ever I have the opportunity to name a product, it'll be called MerkelWeld. Something about the word weld used when it don't have anything to do with welding inspires people to use, mis-use, and then use more of whatever it is you're selling.
Look for MerkelWeld muffins coming soon to a store near you. I now pronounce the thread dead.
Look for MerkelWeld muffins coming soon to a store near you. I now pronounce the thread dead.
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(pun intended...)
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Kahane, Howard. Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life
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2. I like anyone will comment in other areas.
3. I do not own the preexisting concepts of DISH and ERD.
4. I will provide information as I always have to others that I believe will help them protect themselves from unscrupulous mechanics.
5. My all time favorite book is:
Kahane, Howard. Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life
09-22-12, 04:54 PM
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BTW it would be a bad idea to ride the frame between getting it welded and getting it heat treated, but I don't expect you'll listen to that advice either.
09-22-12, 05:40 PM
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Take it from an old guy, this is a bad idea.......unless maybe they are MerkelWeld Bran Muffins ??
Threads like this one never die, they just gradually turn to crap.........
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since this was cross-posted from framebuilding, and he got good advice there, I'm closing this
