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Throwing Chain Off Single Ring
I pulled the small and large rings as well as the front derailler off an old hybrid to turn it into a 7X1, and was shocked to find that while the 7 spd rear derailler and cogs were functioning just fine, as I shifted into the lower gears the chain was being thrown to the inside of the now single speed ring.
Inspection showed a few really worn teeth, could that be the problem? I had thought a single ring would always keep the links on the teeth no matter what! |
What looks like worn teeth is most likely profiling designed to assist in shifting.
you can either get a single-intended chainring who's teeth are designed to do the opposite -retain the chain. or you can put the front derailer back on and lock it's limit screws so it acts as a chain guide. |
Originally Posted by xenologer
(Post 14656457)
What looks like worn teeth is most likely profiling designed to assist in shifting.
you can either get a single-intended chainring who's teeth are designed to do the opposite -retain the chain. or you can put the front derailer back on and lock it's limit screws so it acts as a chain guide. |
So there are special chains for single speeds? Will it shift properly on my rear cogs?
Never thought that the front derailler was acting as a guide, but now it makes perfect sense. |
Originally Posted by FreeFloat
(Post 14656559)
So there are special chains for single speeds? Will it shift properly on my rear cogs?
Single-speed/fixed gear without a RD (so, using horizontal dropouts) is nice because if you set it up right the chain will never drop. |
The bike had been converted to drops with bar end shifters since there were no braze ons, I switched it back to how it originaly was spec'ed ,.....bought a set of brake levers and only ONE shifter (rear 7) since I thought I did'nt want the high and low rings. I guess I better re-install the front derailer as a chain guide.
Thanks! |
Originally Posted by FreeFloat
(Post 14656559)
So there are special chains for single speeds? Will it shift properly on my rear cogs?
One one of my 1x9 bikes, I run an MRP 1.x chain guide. On the other I run a bash guard on the outside, and an N-Gear Jumpstop on the inside. I have tried numerous times to avoid the need for a guide, but in the end I've always found that I need something to hold the chain in place. |
Originally Posted by FastJake
(Post 14656604)
Single-speed/fixed gear without a RD (so, using horizontal dropouts) is nice ....
Personaly I'm not interested, but a smaller diameter cartridge to fit in an eccentric of normal single bike diameter in order to tension the chain? Again, just curious.... |
BTW, since you guys are the technical experts, how'd I get to be a "senior member" after only two weeks and just 53 posts?
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What do they use on factory "recreational" 1X7's to keep from derailing from the ring?
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Commercially-available 1x__ bikes usually have a "bash ring" on the outer position to prevent throwing the chain off the outside, and the better ones will have a "chain keeper" mounted to the seat tube near the bottom bracket to catch the chain if it drops to the inside. The best thing you can do without those gadgets is to use a SS-specific chainring (taller teeth) and to keep pedaling over bumps -- that keeps tension on the upper run of the chain so it can't fly off as easily.
To answer your other question, 50 posts. ;) |
Originally Posted by FreeFloat
(Post 14656660)
OK, never even thought of this before....but coming from a tandem background....has anyone figuired out a way to convert a normal diameter BB to an eccentric in order to go single speed w/ verticle dropouts?
Personaly I'm not interested, but a smaller diameter cartridge to fit in an eccentric of normal single bike diameter in order to tension the chain? Again, just curious.... http://www.whiteind.com/images/349_ENO_ECC_SIL.jpg |
Okay I'm confused.. this sounds like a chainline problem to me.. like the same exact problem a friend of mine had. I bow to the superior knowledge of these guys but I'll offer you this, he bought a BB with a shorter length that split the difference placing his chain ring in the center of his cassette via straightline, he runs no bashguard no chain guard, no chain guide, no FD 1x7 on a dually mtb.. I've yet to see him drop a chain since the switch.
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I'll try a new ring for starters, and take it from there.
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Originally Posted by FreeFloat
(Post 14656660)
OK, never even thought of this before....but coming from a tandem background....has anyone figuired out a way to convert a normal diameter BB to an eccentric in order to go single speed w/ verticle dropouts?
I've never used one, but I have converted a few vertical dropout frames to SS/FG by finding the "magic ratio" ie the ratio where you get the perfect chain tension for a given chainstay length. It takes some fiddling but it is possible. |
Chainline......
BTW: Where in the f*** did the OP suggest that he was running his 7x1 without a rear derailleur or even running a SS? He very clearly states that he is running a "7x1", so why the f*** would he want an eccentric BB in the first places!?! OP: Check your chainline...... |
Originally Posted by FastJake
(Post 14659932)
See John's post about the eccentric hub.
I've never used one, but I have converted a few vertical dropout frames to SS/FG by finding the "magic ratio" ie the ratio where you get the perfect chain tension for a given chainstay length. It takes some fiddling but it is possible. |
Originally Posted by FastJake
(Post 14659932)
See John's post about the eccentric hub.
I've never used one, but I have converted a few vertical dropout frames to SS/FG by finding the "magic ratio" ie the ratio where you get the perfect chain tension for a given chainstay length. It takes some fiddling but it is possible. |
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