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Old 01-26-13, 08:40 PM
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Wheelbuilding question on spoke length/staying in budget

I am building a wheel around a shimano nexus inter-7 hub, and I need some advice regarding the dish. The hub has a left center-flange distance of 29.5 and a right center-flange distance of 22.0. However, on the spoke length calculator, I get 270.6 on the left, and 269.9 on the right. I could get one box of 271mm spokes, and one box of 270mm, but that is going to cost twice as much as one box of 270mm. It seems to me I can just get the one box considering how close the two lengths are to 270. But, I wonder about the dish. If I am putting equal length spokes, wont that result in a centered hub? I can maybe change the dish by tightening the right spokes more, but I doubt I can really keep track of that.

Also, is it okay to reuse nipples? This is actually a relace to a new rim, so I'll have the nipples, and it looks like I can save $25 by reusing the nipples.

EDIT! nevermind. I just investigated further and the dish if for a hub with a coaster brake, my hub has no brake and therefore no dish. I am set. Still curious about the nipples though.

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Old 01-26-13, 09:55 PM
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First, nipples are certainly reusable. I would not do so ordinarily, because I don't
want to take a chance on running into stripped ones on the wheel in question or
take the time to unfasten them from their spokes. I would advise against using
or reusing alloy nipples in your project.

Secondly, where in the world are you buying this stuff where enough nipples to
lace one wheel are going to cost you 25 bucks ? Shop someplace else.
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For a less than 1mm difference, use the same spoke.

Generally there's about 3mm of working tolerance between the minimum and maximum correct spoke length (based on height in the nipple. When there's more dish we need two lengths because otherwise the working margin of error becomes unacceptably narrow. But with less than 1mm difference, you shouldn't have any problems.
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cool, thanks for the input. $25 was the difference between a box of spokes with nipples, and a box without. I had not checked on the price of nipples alone, just sort of tired of checking, double checking and shopping around for the best price on every little piece --would rather just use what I have.

A box of 270mm spokes it is. Happy to have that one figured out.
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What brand of spokes are you buying? If they are DT I would suggest 271. DT tend to run a little on the short side.
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You can buy spokes by the piece from coloradocyclist.com for reasonable prices. $.50 for DT Swiss Champion. S&H is $7.50 for me.
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Just did a quick google; 36 brass nipples: $7.50.

You should prolly be able to find a box of 100 for ten or fifteen bucks.
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What brand of spokes are you buying?
I was planning on wheelsmith, just because they were a bit cheaper. Hopefully that is not a mistake. I do not know the reputation of wheelsmith.
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You can buy spokes by the piece from coloradocyclist.com
Hey thanks for the tip. I may see if I can pick them up in the store. That way $26 gets me everything I need.
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Originally Posted by H.S.Clydesdale View Post
I was planning on wheelsmith, just because they were a bit cheaper. Hopefully that is not a mistake. I do not know the reputation of wheelsmith.
Wheelsmith is fine; straight gauge 2.0 spokes will be cheaper than butted spokes; silver will be cheaper than black; brass nipples are cheaper than alloy.
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I was planning on wheelsmith, just because they were a bit cheaper. Hopefully that is not a mistake. I do not know the reputation of wheelsmith.
Nothing wrong with Wheelsmith spokes. They used to be made by Asahi in Japan, but several years ago Wheelsmith bought their equipment and moved it to Milwaukee, where they are now made.
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When I purchased my spokes and nipples from bikehubstore, the nipples came in at a dime each. $25 can get you 250 nipples.
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