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Old 03-16-13, 08:18 AM
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Upgrade campagnolo 9 Speed FD

I have recently upgraded my veloce shifters and rear FD/cassette to 10 speed. I didn't change the front FD as i didn't think it was necessary. I have to continually trim the front FD which i find odd and the shifting isn't anything special....Do you think it is just badly set up (bike was serviced by a professional) or would it be worth changing to a "10 speed" new FD? The old FD is a mirage CT, It doesn't say QS on it and maybe it is older than that spec . I do have a compact chainset.
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Old 03-16-13, 08:51 AM
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There's really no major difference between a 10-speed triple Campy FD and an 8-speed one. If you're having trouble with how the old one you have works, go through the installation procedure carefully to make sure it is installed and set up correct for your new setup. There's also a cable tension aspect to the adjustment - get that right, too.

You might also compare the full cable pull range on the new shifter to that of the old shifter, just to make sure the new shifter is capable of handling a triple.
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The fact that you cannot 'trim' a Shimano STI brifter after the shift, I see, as a dis advantage.

Enjoy the riding.. be happy..
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There is no major difference, but in my opinion the differnce is worth it. The plastic "shim" on the inside of the 10spd FD mitigates over shifting, I've seen it and experienced it.

the beauty with upgrading is that your FD will bring about the same money as a used 10spd. When I made the swap, I actually got more out of mine than the 10spd replacement (chorus to chorus). You also may not have to replace. Some 9spd FDs have the hole required to add the shim (avalible separately)
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Shouldn't need to "upgrade" anything. Probably poor setup. If you can post a picture we can tell if it's mounted way wrong. Go through the proper FD setup, starting from square one.

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The fact that you cannot 'trim' a Shimano STI brifter after the shift, I see, as a dis advantage.

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I agree, but what does this have to do with the OP's question..?
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Old 03-17-13, 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by FastJake View Post
Shouldn't need to "upgrade" anything. Probably poor setup. If you can post a picture we can tell if it's mounted way wrong. Go through the proper FD setup, starting from square one.



I agree, but what does this have to do with the OP's question..?
I'm not sure if this is what he meant, but he may have guessed right in that I've previously been used to Shimano groupsets and built this bike up with campag stuff from my wife's bike...I just find it annoying that i have to trim the front derailleur when chaging between 3rd smallest sprocket and 6th smallest....In general riding that change happens a lot!
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Originally Posted by rick99 View Post
I'm not sure if this is what he meant, but he may have guessed right in that I've previously been used to Shimano groupsets and built this bike up with campag stuff from my wife's bike...I just find it annoying that i have to trim the front derailleur when chaging between 3rd smallest sprocket and 6th smallest....In general riding that change happens a lot!
This is why you should go through and confirm that the positioning of the front derailleur is correct. My experience is that the need for front trimming of Campy triples (I use two in the family) is minimized and often eliminated when the front mech is set up by the book - Campy's book. I don't know if it's more sensitive than Shimano road triples, but you still should try to get it right and then see if there are problems. Then looking at throwing more money at the problem.
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Old 03-17-13, 07:43 AM
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You will get basically a friction FD type of adjustment if you go to better groups like centaur and up shifters. Veloce kicks like 4 times so the adjustment is pretty limited, it depends of what gears are you using aswell, if you continually crossing chain like using 53x25 or maybe 39x12 is clear what the problem is (you), situation we have seen here in the forums since the stone age.

The plastic thing somebody is saying is true too but since im not too familiar with 9 speed groups is hard to tell you.

You say the shifting is nothing special, well you have to try f... sora and you will find veloce quite good hehehe

Dont remember campagnolo 9 being compact back in the day, probably thats the issue, the cage changed a tiny bit when campy made the fd compatible with compact and standard chainrings. IMO your problem points that way.

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Old 03-17-13, 08:16 AM
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I would invest in a Centaur 10 speed FD. You didn't mention what year and model of 10 speed shifters you have. If you have 2011+ powershift levers, they will be very limited in trimming ability, but if set up properly, you should only have to use one trim click when you're in the little ring.

If you have ultrashift levers, or pre-2009 shifters, then you have many more clicks available, but you should never need more than four and a prefect setup only uses three clicks. The need for trimming should be minimal. Typically, you might use one click when you're on the big ring and trim the FD to the left, when using 2-3 of the largest cogs. From the little ring, you might need to trim the FD to the right, to use the smallest 2-3 cogs. You should never use the two extremes - big/big or small/small.
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Old 03-18-13, 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by DaveSSS View Post
I would invest in a Centaur 10 speed FD. You didn't mention what year and model of 10 speed shifters you have. If you have 2011+ powershift levers, they will be very limited in trimming ability, but if set up properly, you should only have to use one trim click when you're in the little ring.

If you have ultrashift levers, or pre-2009 shifters, then you have many more clicks available, but you should never need more than four and a prefect setup only uses three clicks. The need for trimming should be minimal. Typically, you might use one click when you're on the big ring and trim the FD to the left, when using 2-3 of the largest cogs. From the little ring, you might need to trim the FD to the right, to use the smallest 2-3 cogs. You should never use the two extremes - big/big or small/small.
Thanks everyone for your input. I'm not a total buffoon (!) riding across the block all the time but as i said before have to trim surprisingly often when on the large chainring. The shifters are 2012 veloce powershift. In any case I'm going to go with a new centaur FD as advised and pay careful attention to it's set up......incidentally, there's no triple in sight..not sure why that's come up. Thanks again for your help.

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Old 04-11-13, 01:44 AM
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I upgrade to a centaur FD for about 15 including sale of the old one on ebay......ridiculous not to really and, for the record, it all works perfectly now...........big big improvement in terms of shifting and lack of trimming. Maybe the old one wasn't set up properly, but the new one looks better anyway!
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