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Standard headset for fixie question
So I'm trying to build a fixie and I am having a little trouble finding the parts for the headset
It is frustrating because no one seems to sell all of the parts for a standard headset in once packaged deal. If someone could tell me the correct parts I need and a good place to maybe buy the parts that would be great I believe it is a standard headset. (it uses ball bearings some other metal parts) SPECS: Diameter of headtube = 1 inch Length of Headtube = 165mm Length of the fork pipe(threaded) = 120mm Thanks! |
Originally Posted by tha17
(Post 15642827)
SPECS:
Diameter of headtube = 1 inch Length of Headtube = 165mm Length of the fork pipe(threaded) = 120mm ! Also, you have the headtube as 1", which isn't possible. I'll assume you meant that the steerer is 1", in which case the headtube will measure 30.0mm or 30.2 mm depending on whether it's JIS or ISO with 30.2 ISO being the most common. |
Originally Posted by FBinNY
(Post 15642856)
I hope there's a typo or a simple mis-measurement. You have the steerer (forkpipe) shorter than the headtube, which cannot work regardless of the type of headset used. A typical threaded headset needs a steerer 32-44mm longer than the head tube, and a threadless headset needs a steerer about 75mm or more longer than the headtube.
Also, you have the headtube as 1", which isn't possible. I'll assume you meant that the steerer is 1", in which case the headtube will measure 30.0mm or 30.2 mm depending on whether it's JIS or ISO with 30.2 ISO being the most common. the outside diameter of the steerer is 25mm exactly My headtube still has the end parts of the headset that used to be on it so it was a little harder to measure EDIT the headtube looks around 30.2 actually |
Originally Posted by tha17
(Post 15642930)
the outside diameter of the steerer is 25mm exactly
As for a good place to buy the parts, where are you located? |
Originally Posted by Airburst
(Post 15642947)
Very unlikely, what frameset is this? It's much more likely to be 25.4mm, which is one inch and a common size for steerer tubes. If so, you will need a 1" threaded headset. Is there some reason you can't use the old one?
As for a good place to buy the parts, where are you located? But lets assume that my steerer is 25.4mm and everything else has the corresponding measurements that would work with a 25.4mm steerer would it be logical to buy this set? http://www.amazon.com/Wald-Headset-4...readed+headset Edit: im in San marcos, CA and the parts are lost |
Originally Posted by tha17
(Post 15643102)
would it be logical to buy this set?
http://www.amazon.com/Wald-Headset-4...readed+headset Edit: im in San marcos, CA and the parts are lost Since you've stripped the identification off the frame, your only choice is to take it to a knowledgeable bike shop and have the inside diameter of the headtube and the diameter of the fork crown race measured with vernier calipers. What you have probably takes a 1" headset, but there are 2 different "standards" for 1" headsets: JIS and ISO. Since you have no other information to offer, measuring the frame and fork is the only way to tell. Run, don't walk, to the nearest bike shop. I used to live in North San Diego County, so I know there's a bunch to choose from. Here's some more information to read up on: http://sheldonbrown.com/cribsheet-headsets.html |
BTW- depending on the age of the frame, and the accuracy of your measurement, there's the chance that you have a french fork, which has a 25mm steerer with 25x1 threads. This would also mean that you need a French 22mm stem rather than the much more common 22.2mm (7/8") stem.
So before you buy anything, check and recheck your measurements so you know what you have and what you need. |
Originally Posted by Jeff Wills
(Post 15643190)
No, do not buy that set. That fits "American" frames, which are built to different dimensions (maybe) than your.
Since you've stripped the identification off the frame, your only choice is to take it to a knowledgeable bike shop and have the inside diameter of the headtube and the diameter of the fork crown race measured with vernier calipers. What you have probably takes a 1" headset, but there are 2 different "standards" for 1" headsets: JIS and ISO. Since you have no other information to offer, measuring the frame and fork is the only way to tell. Run, don't walk, to the nearest bike shop. I used to live in North San Diego County, so I know there's a bunch to choose from. Here's some more information to read up on: http://sheldonbrown.com/cribsheet-headsets.html I found out that it is made by Peugeot in france Idk if that helps but maybe that would determine that it is JIS or ISO |
It is neither the bike is French and my advice is start with a different frame. Nothing on a Peugeot is standard to anything else in the current world. BB is odd size, pedals are odd size, seat post is odd size and on and on. You will more frustrated as you work on this bike and it will cost you a fortune to complete the bike. It is a 25 mm steerer by the way. That is a size no one but the French and maybe the Swiss used. Roger
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Ah, it appears the OP has stepped on what might be referred to as the "French landmine". My apologies for doubting your measurement, OP, it seems you could be right about the steerer being exactly 25mm in diameter. There's still a chance the bike is built to ISO standards, at least partially, but there's also the chance it's not. I know some of the old Peugeots did have standard ISO threaded BBs, for instance, but that's by no means all of them. Is this just a bare frame, or do you only need the headset to finish it off?
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Originally Posted by Airburst
(Post 15643496)
Ah, it appears the OP has stepped on what might be referred to as the "French landmine". My apologies for doubting your measurement, OP, it seems you could be right about the steerer being exactly 25mm in diameter. There's still a chance the bike is built to ISO standards, at least partially, but there's also the chance it's not. I know some of the old Peugeots did have standard ISO threaded BBs, for instance, but that's by no means all of them. Is this just a bare frame, or do you only need the headset to finish it off?
When I was taking it apart, I didn't know that I may not be able to find replacement parts. Some of the parts of the headset and the bearings in the BB have been lost, I should have the majority of everything that came with the bike. Before I go further, I just want to say that I am new to bikes in general, although I can catch on quick i might not know a lot of things that may seem obvious to bike enthusiasts. Anyways... This is what I have ordered for the restoration process. If you see a part that is not compatible with the frame please tell me, because there probably will be some. Parts -A BB that probably wont work with the bike based on what I have discovered today. http://www.ebay.com/itm/330887790399...84.m1497.l2649 -A new Crank http://www.ebay.com/itm/110976945520...84.m1497.l2649 I was going to include breaks/levers, but I didn't think it was necessary As for the headset parts that I have: -Cups -bearings (large amounts of hair in them) Again, I do have the original BB, but it needs bearings (on one side at least) |
As others said, French bikes are a large pain in the patootie. Depending on its age, very few to none of the parts are compatible with current standards.
Unless you have all of the original parts, they are in good condition, and you want to put together an all-original French bike... toss it. It's not worth the time and effort to even put it back together. |
Originally Posted by Jeff Wills
(Post 15644014)
As others said, French bikes are a large pain in the patootie. Depending on its age, very few to none of the parts are compatible with current standards.
Unless you have all of the original parts, they are in good condition, and you want to put together an all-original French bike... toss it. It's not worth the time and effort to even put it back together. Facing 1000 problems with this bike will only be a learning experience that I can't really get any other way. I've built computers and things like when I was younger with very basic knowledge about how the hardware worked, and I realize now that if I didn't go through that crazy struggle, I wouldn't know half about computers than I do today. it's true that I don't have the knowledge to build this bike by my self right now, but that's why I'm on these forums / going to bike shops etc. I've already spent hours on this bike (perfecting the paint job etc) and researching things about it... there has to be correct parts out there. Plus, it looks sooo. good. |
The parts are out there but you will spend 5 to 10 times the money in it compared to the starting with a standard frame bike. My friend just did a PX10 which is one of the better if not the best Peugeot out there and it took forever to get it rideable and he and I have access to all kinds of parts. I have about 75 bikes in my collection and he is a QBP dealer and has a Bike Touring business. The only French bike I ever had I left on the curb for garbage pickup after messing with for a couple of months. The guy that took it home to fix called several times looking for parts and he finally put it back on the curb at his house. Roge
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Originally Posted by tha17
(Post 15644245)
I think that if there is a will, there is a way. Despite your colorful warning, I'm going to keep trying to get this bike up.
Facing 1000 problems with this bike will only be a learning experience that I can't really get any other way. I've built computers and things like when I was younger with very basic knowledge about how the hardware worked, and I realize now that if I didn't go through that crazy struggle, I wouldn't know half about computers than I do today. it's true that I don't have the knowledge to build this bike by my self right now, but that's why I'm on these forums / going to bike shops etc. I've already spent hours on this bike (perfecting the paint job etc) and researching things about it... there has to be correct parts out there. Plus, it looks sooo. good. There are many other bikes of similar age and quality that will be far less frustrating to track down parts, will accept many "current" parts, and will give you as good if not better insight into what makes a bike tick. |
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