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Old 08-30-13, 06:44 PM
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Hole in Side of Tire, Still Any Good?

I do have an old worn out tire I could use. Use that or this one with the hole? I'm going to order another tire but would this one be fine in the mean time? I had a flat today. Air went out fast, and I could hear the tube hissing.

First pic is me pushing through the hole. Second pic is it in place.


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the only way you try to fix and use this tire is if you're 50 miles from civilization and don't feel like walking.

Otherwise it's burnt toast.
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If you have a trainer, that's where I'd put it if I wanted to boot it and wring any life out of it.
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The hole of the tire is where it sits inside the rim, not the outside. I don't drive, and I have work at 7 in in the morning. The other old worn tire was laying under something and it's kinda flattened at a segment. Not sure which tire would be best to use. I think I'll just risk it. I'll test ride it a few miles just to be on the safe side.

I forgot to mention that the hole in the tube was where the hole in the tire was. During my last ride, I noticed part of the tire hanging out the rim! I didn't feel like stopping, so I figured I fix it when I got home, but by that time it was too late.

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You can probably get by making a boot and using this tire, based of the 50 miles from nowhere logic.

BTW- this kind of tearing usually has a cause. Check that your brake shoes don't overhang the rim.
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Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
You can probably get by making a boot and using this tire, based of the 50 miles from nowhere logic.

BTW- this kind of tearing usually has a cause. Check that your brake shoes don't overhang the rim.
Brake shoes are fine. What caused it I think was that a part of the tire was hanging outside the rim. I noticed it but was going to fix it when I got home so I ignored it for a few miles but then it got flat.
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Well, I think I read somewhere a patched portion of the tube would be stronger than if there wasn't patched. Maybe then it won't get flat lol? I patched the tube and the hole lines up with the hole on the tire. I'm about to go for a test ride, but I noticed slight bulge sticking out at that spot when I inflated it.

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Test ride went fine. Just hope I don't die tomorrow morning.

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You apparently have waay too much time at your hand. This apparently is going to teach you that seemingly inexhaustible amounts of time are actually limited.
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You apparently have waay too much time at your hand. This apparently is going to teach you that seemingly inexhaustible amounts of time are actually limited.
Time wasted doing something you enjoy, isn't wasted time.

This is a learning process for the OP. Nothing wrong with a bit of experimentation. The lessons learned may stand him well if he ever destroys a tire far from home or a bike shop.

BTW- if the repair doesn't hold up and he ends up walking home from work, that's a learning experience also.
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Originally Posted by Rimmer View Post
Brake shoes are fine.
Hi,

That tyre suggests that they have been rubbing on the tyre,
and a developing bulge caused the extra wear at that point.

The tyre with the most mechanical integrity is likely the safest.

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This is pretty simple if you see what can be describred as a hole on tire it is toast toss it. Even the cheapest replaicment will be better.
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Well, I rode to work and back just fine. 18 miles, 9 miles each way. Bulge started sticking out a bit when I got home though. I deflated the tube and tucked it back in and inflated it back up. Maybe the REMA patch made it bomb proof. I need another tire but LBS is closed. I need to carry a spare, so I'll probably get two tires.

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You apparently have waay too much time at your hand. This apparently is going to teach you that seemingly inexhaustible amounts of time are actually limited.
How do you conclude that I have too much time on my hand? I work full-time. What does your post have to do with anything?

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Hi,

That tyre suggests that they have been rubbing on the tyre,
and a developing bulge caused the extra wear at that point.

The tyre with the most mechanical integrity is likely the safest.

rgds, sreten.
I'm very certain that the brake pads have not rubbed on the tire. If that was the case, wouldn't the tire be damaged around the circumference and not one spot? I'm thinking it could've been a rock on a turn? On one road I noticed lots of big rocks. I do take sharp turns. I had a flat a few days before I noticed the hole in the tire when I had the second flat if that gives any clues.

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I don't mess around with tires. I probably toss them too fast if anything like a moderate tear or imperfection (like baseball umpires with balls). Even if it tweaks my "green" karma, my feeling is that replacing tires is a lot cheaper than ending up in the ER or dentist's chair.
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How do you conclude that I have too much time on my hand? I work full-time. What does your post have to do with anything?
Because, against good advice, you engage in an activity that has one certain outcome and all it will do is to take time. However, as someone has said, it may do good in gaining experience. The one question one can ask is of how many times in life one should be gaining such an experience, maybe not at the time when one has a full-time job. It is, though, your time and, for myself, I get out of this discussion.
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Hey OP, you did good.
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brake pads often rub on just one spot on a tire
because wheels are not perfectly round
and some spots are closer to the brake pads than others

if you hit a rock or something
then a dent in the rim can also cause a brake pad
to rub in one spot

this is by far the most common cause of cut tires
and the cut always appears in the area next to the tire bead
like on your tire

the reason your tube was poking out
was because you have a cut in your tire
not the other way around

duct tape can make a decent boot for a cut tire
but like any tire boot
it really is only a temporary repair
and you need to replace that tire
as soon as you can
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OP I would at least "boot" the tire with a peice of duct tape, a peice of tyvec, a peice of old tire, or a Park Tool tire boot. This will help to keep the tube from protruding through the tire.
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OP I would at least "boot" the tire with a peice of duct tape, a peice of tyvec, a peice of old tire, or a Park Tool tire boot. This will help to keep the tube from protruding through the tire.
+1,

No matter how thick or well made, you cannot count on a rubber patch to replace the structural fabric of a tire. I make boots form scrap fabric, such as an old pair of jeans, a quality bedsheet, or anything else of good woven fabric. Cut the boot, on the bias, so the weave is at 45° to follow the tires plies. An ideal boot will go more than half way around the tire past the tread senter line, and down under the bead and up the outside about 1/4" so rim pressure holds it on.

Use contact cement, or rubber cement to glue it on. If using rubber cement, coat the fabric and the tire separately, allow to dry then position it carefully and roll it on with finger pressure. It will bond instantly so get it on straight without bubbles or ripples. Allow the cement to cure, then powder the inside to take up the tack. Your tire will now be up to 90% as good as new (depends on how good you are).

A booted tire is very appropriate to commuter or town bike, because you're never going far. Also because urban tires are often killed off prematurely by glass and other road hazards. On long trips it should only be used to get you to where you can find a suitable replacement.

BTW- don't let negative comments discourage you from milking extra miles from your tires. It's your time and your money, and you'll be the one walking if you take this too far, so it's nobody's business how you set a value on your time.
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I rode to and from work again fine. When I went to get groceries, it went flat. Luckily it was less than a mile from home. Lesson learned, carry a spare tire. I got over 5,500 miles on that tire maybe even 7,000 plus. I had it before I got my computer, so I don't know the exact mileage.I didn't realize that until I looked. It was originally at the front, but I changed it to the rear when the last rear tire went bad. I guess the high mileage could be the reason for the hole? I didn't have rubber cement. Duct tape is worthless I think, but I only applied it when the wheel was mounted on the bike. I didn't feel like taking it off again, because that particular tire, wire bead, is hard to mount unlike the newer ones I've bought.

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I'm very certain that the brake pads have not rubbed on the tire. If that was the case, wouldn't the tire be damaged around the circumference and not one spot? I'm thinking it could've been a rock on a turn? On one road I noticed lots of big rocks. I do take sharp turns. I had a flat a few days before I noticed the hole in the tire when I had the second flat if that gives any clues.
Hi,

I can see a line around the tyre at the point of damage. Why I said suggests.
It is hard to say with the tyre off the rim, original moulding or some brake rub.
But FB is right, a lot of the time failure just above the rim is braking rub.

Minor brake rub leaves a line in the tyre but once the worst point starts to
bulge and rapidly wear it can look like that is the only point of real damage.

May not be the case, but it looks like it, and even if isn't it is worth pointing
out to others reading this this thread to check they don't have the problem.

rgds, sreten.

FWIW its a known problem with V-brakes. They should be aligned to the
inside of the rim when new, not the outside. They migrate up as they wear.

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tire boots are only installed on the inside
including duct tape
i can not imagine anything working as a boot on the outside
not for very long anyways

as for the idea of carrying a spare tire
it is not very commonly done
the mistake you made was not not carrying a spare tire
but riding on a tire that was suspect
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The tire is toast but you could ride on it temporarily if you boot the inside with a Park Boot patch, then after you boot and have it installed put some Superglue on the outside and cover it in several layers allowing the glue to dry completely between layers.

But mind you, this is strictly a temp repair on a tire that should in all respects be tossed, thus you should get a new tire to replace it asap. There are pretty good sales going on right now on the internet for tires, find a tire with a high review at the price you want to pay. Hutchinson Intensive tire is on sale at Performance right now and it's a tough tire.
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