Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Bicycle Mechanics
Reload this Page >

How could this be hard to find?

Bicycle Mechanics Broken bottom bracket? Tacoed wheel? If you're having problems with your bicycle, or just need help fixing a flat, drop in here for the latest on bicycle mechanics & bicycle maintenance.

How could this be hard to find?

Old 09-16-13, 05:41 AM
  #1  
JBC353
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Northern Neck of Virginia
Posts: 316

Bikes: Some Raleighs,some Schwinns and an Azor

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
How could this be hard to find?

One, just one d*** spoke is bad on the rear wheel of my Schwinn Passage and it seems to be harder to find than I could have imagined. It's a stainless straight 14 gauge (2.0mm) 305mm ordinary spoke and the Goog is not coming up with squat, except for a source in the UK that will sell and ship a couple for about 12 bucks. I guess I could buy a whole box but that seems excessive just to replace one d*** spoke.

I bet you guys have sources, right?

Factory spoke threads are rolled, yes? Do the tools for making custom spokes roll or cut the threads?
JBC353 is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 06:37 AM
  #2  
dsaul
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,009
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 225 Post(s)
Liked 20 Times in 15 Posts
http://www.wheelbuilder.com/dt-champ...uge-spoke.html

You'll have to choose between 304mm or 306mm because they only have even sizes. 1mm is no big deal either way, as long as the original wasn't too short to begin with.
dsaul is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 06:51 AM
  #3  
Dan Burkhart 
Senior member
 
Dan Burkhart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Oakville Ontario
Posts: 7,260
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 527 Post(s)
Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts
Have you tried wandering into a local bike shop to see if they can help you out? Those places are still good for some things.
Dan Burkhart is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 06:56 AM
  #4  
Homebrew01
Super Moderator
 
Homebrew01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Ffld Cnty Connecticut
Posts: 21,027

Bikes: Old Steelies I made, Old Cannondales

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 787 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 17 Times in 16 Posts
I have all kinds of obsolete sizes in the basement. If you really can't find one, let me know and I will look to see if I have one.
__________________
Bikes: Old steel race bikes, old Cannondale race bikes, less old Cannondale race bike, crappy old mtn bike.

FYI: http://www.bikeforums.net/forum-sugg...ad-please.html
Homebrew01 is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 07:00 AM
  #5  
Andrew R Stewart 
Senior Member
 
Andrew R Stewart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 11,551

Bikes: Stewart S&S coupled sport tourer, Stewart Sunday light, Stewart Commuting, Stewart Touring, Co Motion Tandem, Stewart 3-Spd, Stewart Track, Fuji Finest, Raleigh Pro, Trek Cycle Cross, Mongoose tomac ATB, GT Bravado ATB, JCP Folder

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1698 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 23 Times in 20 Posts
Here in the states many shops have a Phil Spoke Cutter and Threader to make any length (less then 312mm) needed in only a few minutes. I've built and repaired many dozens of wheels with spokes made from this device without issues or problems. It cuts and then rolls threads, just like Mother does... Andy.
Andrew R Stewart is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 09:20 AM
  #6  
halfwheel
Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 29
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
DT Swiss Champion 14 Gauge, $.50 each
www.coloradocyclist.com

Might as well pick up some spares too.
halfwheel is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 09:35 AM
  #7  
FBinNY 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 36,049

Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter

Mentioned: 121 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4339 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by JBC353 View Post
One, just one d*** spoke is bad on the rear wheel of my Schwinn Passage and it seems to be harder to find than I could have imagined. It's a stainless straight 14 gauge (2.0mm) 305mm ordinary spoke and the Goog is not coming up with squat, except for a source in the UK that will sell and ship a couple for about 12 bucks. I guess I could buy a whole box but that seems excessive just to replace one d*** spoke.

I bet you guys have sources, right?

Factory spoke threads are rolled, yes? Do the tools for making custom spokes roll or cut the threads?
Send me $1.50 and I'll send you a spoke.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site

An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

“Never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.”, George Carlin

“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FBinNY is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 10:17 AM
  #8  
Bill Kapaun
Senior Member
 
Bill Kapaun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Mid Willamette Valley, Orygun
Posts: 10,746

Bikes: 86 RockHopper,2008 Specialized Globe. Both upgraded to 9 speeds.

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 645 Post(s)
Liked 17 Times in 16 Posts
Why would you want to pay S&H charges for 1 spoke when most bike shops will cut you one for a buck?
Bill Kapaun is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 10:27 AM
  #9  
cxwrench
Senior Member
 
cxwrench's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Nor-Cal
Posts: 237

Bikes: lots

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Seriously...this is probably one of the easiest spokes to find. Any bike shop that does wheel builds will probably have some DT Champion or equivalent and the ability to cut them down and roll threads on them. We have a box of 300mm and 310mm that have been around forever just for this reason.
Every spoke cutter I've seen rolls the threads, as well. Everyone seems to think that spokes are somehow mysterious and that 'normal' bike shops don't carry them. It's definitely worth a few phone calls to see if anyone has them close to you instead of immediately getting on the interwebs and trying to order them.
cxwrench is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 10:39 AM
  #10  
halfwheel
Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 29
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Bill Kapaun View Post
Why would you want to pay S&H charges for 1 spoke when most bike shops will cut you one for a buck?
Most shops? Maybe in Oregon. I'd be surprised if any of the shops in NoVa have spoke cutters. There are plenty of bike shops where I live in Pittsburgh, none of them stock spokes--with the exception of leftovers from one-off wheels they've built. Only 1 shop has a spoke cutter--and that rarely gets used.
halfwheel is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 10:41 AM
  #11  
zukahn1
Senior Member
 
zukahn1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Fairplay Co
Posts: 7,203

Bikes: Current 79 Nishiki Custum Sport, Jeunet 620, notable previous bikes P.K. Ripper loop tail, Kawahara Laser Lite, Paramount Track full chrome, Raliegh Internatioanl, Motobecan Super Mirage. 59 Crown royak 3 speed

Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 273 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
+1 for just 1 or 2 spokes your best to just go to a better LBS, they should have or be able to cut the spoke you need ony a $1-2 a piece.
zukahn1 is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 10:50 AM
  #12  
FBinNY 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 36,049

Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter

Mentioned: 121 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4339 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by halfwheel View Post
Most shops? Maybe in Oregon. I'd be surprised if any of the shops in NoVa have spoke cutters. There are plenty of bike shops where I live in Pittsburgh, none of them stock spokes--with the exception of leftovers from one-off wheels they've built. Only 1 shop has a spoke cutter--and that rarely gets used.
Unfortunately many bicycle shops today have de-emphasized full service repair capability. They don't stock small parts like spokes anymore, and many simply won't replace a broken spoke in an otherwise good wheel. The irony is that some of these spent serious dough years back to buy a Phil spoke machine so they didn't have to stock as many spokes. Not it's collecting dust someplace.

I think this is a sad state of affairs. I understand not wanting to bother with a $1.00 sale on a PIA item, but you never know if that customer may be the one that could come back to buy a $5k bile.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site

An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

“Never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.”, George Carlin

“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FBinNY is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 10:52 AM
  #13  
Bill Kapaun
Senior Member
 
Bill Kapaun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Mid Willamette Valley, Orygun
Posts: 10,746

Bikes: 86 RockHopper,2008 Specialized Globe. Both upgraded to 9 speeds.

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 645 Post(s)
Liked 17 Times in 16 Posts
Originally Posted by halfwheel View Post
Most shops? Maybe in Oregon. I'd be surprised if any of the shops in NoVa have spoke cutters. There are plenty of bike shops where I live in Pittsburgh, none of them stock spokes--with the exception of leftovers from one-off wheels they've built. Only 1 shop has a spoke cutter--and that rarely gets used.
Washington DC metro area has about twice the population of OR.
I'd find it hard to believe there aren't any bike shops that could cut a spoke.
OK make it $2.

IF the OP wants to pay S&H, they might as well replace the set.

Last edited by Bill Kapaun; 09-16-13 at 11:00 AM.
Bill Kapaun is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 10:57 AM
  #14  
FBinNY 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 36,049

Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter

Mentioned: 121 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4339 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Call Bailey at Papillon Cycles in Arlington. He still builds wheels and I believe has and uses a Phil machine. Tell him I sent you. Hopefully he won't hold it against me.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site

An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

“Never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.”, George Carlin

“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FBinNY is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 11:00 AM
  #15  
ThermionicScott 
hungry
 
ThermionicScott's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: CID
Posts: 18,318

Bikes: 1991 Bianchi Eros, 1964 Armstrong, 1988 Diamondback Ascent, 1988 Bianchi Premio, 1987 Bianchi Sport SX, 1980s Raleigh mixte (hers)

Mentioned: 65 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1969 Post(s)
Liked 43 Times in 41 Posts
I was able to find one in the US (warehouses in MN and OR) within minutes.

I, too, wonder why it was so hard for you to find.
__________________
Originally Posted by chandltp View Post
There's no such thing as too far.. just lack of time
Originally Posted by noglider
People in this forum are not typical.
RUSA #7498
ThermionicScott is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 11:10 AM
  #16  
FBinNY 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 36,049

Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter

Mentioned: 121 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4339 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
.....

I, too, wonder why it was so hard for you to find.
I suspect that the problem may not be the size of the spoke, but the size of the sale. Internet sellers have minimum orders, or minimum shipping costs, and even a local shop that needs to cut it, still has to set up the machine. While I don't agree, many probably figure it isn't worth the bother for a walk in. They would probably do it for a known customer.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site

An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

“Never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.”, George Carlin

“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FBinNY is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 11:10 AM
  #17  
halfwheel
Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 29
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Bill Kapaun View Post
Washington DC metro area has about twice the population of OR.
I'd find it hard to believe there aren't any bike shops that could cut a spoke.
OK make it $2.
Well, it's not so much the population size, as it is how many of them are riding. I've never been to Oregon, but I do know that there's more of a cycling culture there than NoVa/DC.
halfwheel is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 11:15 AM
  #18  
Bill Kapaun
Senior Member
 
Bill Kapaun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Mid Willamette Valley, Orygun
Posts: 10,746

Bikes: 86 RockHopper,2008 Specialized Globe. Both upgraded to 9 speeds.

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 645 Post(s)
Liked 17 Times in 16 Posts
Originally Posted by halfwheel View Post
Well, it's not so much the population size, as it is how many of them are riding. I've never been to Oregon, but I do know that there's more of a cycling culture there than NoVa/DC.
IF you're in Portland or Eugene. Much less elsewhere, but apparently YOU'RE the expert on cycling demographics around the US?
Bill Kapaun is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 11:15 AM
  #19  
FBinNY 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 36,049

Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter

Mentioned: 121 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4339 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by halfwheel View Post
Well, it's not so much the population size, as it is how many of them are riding. I've never been to Oregon, but I do know that there's more of a cycling culture there than NoVa/DC.
I guess you haven't been to the DC area either.

The DC metro area has and has always had a thriving bike culture encompassing every segment from family to commuter to competitive racing. It has one of the densest networks of shops from large chains and concept shops, to traditional "owner has dirty fingernails" shops. Here's a link to an incomplete map of area dealers.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site

An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

“Never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.”, George Carlin

“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FBinNY is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 11:18 AM
  #20  
JBC353
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Northern Neck of Virginia
Posts: 316

Bikes: Some Raleighs,some Schwinns and an Azor

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanks for the links and suggestions. If there were any bike shops nearby that would be my first choice but it is a 1-1/2 hour drive to the closest shop. Three hours driving for a spoke is not economical so I was searching online. There is a downside to life way out in the country, but I do have this out back.




From the head stamp on the spokes of the rear wheel it looks like they are from Wheelbuilder. Would they be OEM to this '86 Schwinn Passage. I note the spokes on the front wheel are NOT stainless. I suspect the rear wheel may have been rebuilt at some point.

Is there any sense in putting all new stainless on the front, or putting all new plain steel on the back? The bike is in a state of total dis assembly so now would be the time to do it.
JBC353 is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 11:20 AM
  #21  
FBinNY 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 36,049

Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter

Mentioned: 121 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4339 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by JBC353 View Post
Thanks for the links and suggestions. If there were any bike shops nearby that would be my first choice but it is a 1-1/2 hour drive to the closest shop. Three hours driving for a spoke is not economical so I was searching online.
Searching but not reading your own thread. There's an offer of a 305mm SS 14g spoke for $1.50 delivered. Or multiple spokes for $0.90 each + $1.89 postage for the lot.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site

An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

“Never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.”, George Carlin

“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FBinNY is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 11:50 AM
  #22  
Bill Kapaun
Senior Member
 
Bill Kapaun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Mid Willamette Valley, Orygun
Posts: 10,746

Bikes: 86 RockHopper,2008 Specialized Globe. Both upgraded to 9 speeds.

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 645 Post(s)
Liked 17 Times in 16 Posts
coloradocyclist.com has straight gauge DT's for $.50 each and free shipping for UPS ground.
That irks me a bit, since I paid about $7 for S&H last time I ordered!

http://www.coloradocyclist.com/product/display/21040/
Bill Kapaun is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 12:03 PM
  #23  
joejack951
Senior Member
 
joejack951's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Wilmington, DE
Posts: 11,855

Bikes: 2016 Hong Fu FM-079-F, 1984 Trek 660, 2003 Specialized Hardrock, 2004 LOOK KG386i (RIP), 2005 Iron Horse Warrior Expert, 2009 Pedal Force CX1, 2016 Islabikes Beinn 20 (son's)

Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1117 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by JBC353 View Post
Is there any sense in putting all new stainless on the front, or putting all new plain steel on the back? The bike is in a state of total dis assembly so now would be the time to do it.
Yes, plenty of sense in replacing old, steel spokes with new stainless, assuming you have the time and know-how to do it. You might even consider swapping in double butted spokes for a small weight reduction and a more durable wheel. Or just go all out and get a 8/9/10 speed wheelset and rebuild the bike will all modern components!

Or send that $1.50 to FB and get your single spoke. But where's the fun in that?
joejack951 is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 12:12 PM
  #24  
gregjones 
Senior Member
 
gregjones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: West Georgia
Posts: 2,827

Bikes: K2 Mod 5.0 Roadie, Fuji Commuter

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
I was able to find one in the US (warehouses in MN and OR) within minutes.

Would that be Universal, or someone else that I might should know about??
__________________
Current Bike Stages--Click PR Logo
PedalRoom
gregjones is offline  
Old 09-16-13, 12:19 PM
  #25  
fietsbob 
coprolite
 
fietsbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NW,Oregon Coast
Posts: 41,464

Bikes: 8

Mentioned: 183 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6721 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 139 Times in 117 Posts
Factory spoke threads are rolled, yes? Do the tools for making custom spokes roll or cut the threads?
they are rolled the tips are pushed up by pressing down for the valleys ..

Hozan makes a thread rolling die tool that fits in a bench vise , but for a home shop it may be a bit pricy.
IDK your Budget.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA3g3U5P3JA

Last edited by fietsbob; 09-16-13 at 12:22 PM.
fietsbob is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.