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Old 11-02-13, 12:44 PM
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I need an alloy 1" threaded headset with a low stack height

I'm replacing the headset on my '83 Trek. It's a Tange unit with a stack height of about 32mm. Are there any new 1" threaded headsets made with a comparable stack height? I would prefer alloy. I know I can get a steel Tange Passage, but I am looking for something that is hopefully lighter and higher quality.
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Shimano made some low stack Headsets..
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Chris King grip nut headset.
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Originally Posted by stevoo View Post
Chris King grip nut headset.
That is a possibility. Major $$$, though. Still looking for other options, but thanks for this, I will keep it in reserve.
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Chris King grip nut headset.
at least you can check with CK with the steerertube length and head tube length Data, and ask.

Have a 9/8" gripnut , but a Bike Friday Spec
so top part is different .. for the Long steerer thread to Pass through it.
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The old Shimano retainer ball headsets (HP-6400 and similar) had a stack height of around 32 mm so if you can find one NOS that should work. The newer Shimano cartridge bearing headsets (HP-6500, etc.) had stack heights of about 37 mm so they won't work for you.

I never did understand why Trek cut their steerers to exactly match the stack heights of the particular headset they used with no slack for any replacements. My '92 1420 was made that way too and I had trouble finding a replacement that fit. The HP-6400 worked but, when it finally failed, I "upgraded" to a new fork with a longer steerer to let me use more readily available headsets.
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Fietsbob is right, I have an old XT with 1/4" balls on my mtb that I believe is 28mm, and suspect you can easily locate NOS. I wanted to replace it recently during overhaul, however couldn't find one with as low a stack height. Good luck
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I have a bunch of NOS 1" threaded headsets and suspect some may be that short. I can't know for sure until Monday, but I'll PM you later Monday afternoon with options (if any).
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Originally Posted by Soil_Sampler View Post
Won't solve the OP's problem since he needs a threaded headset, and certainly doesn't have the 2" above the headset for a threadless stem.
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Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
I have a bunch of NOS 1" threaded headsets and suspect some may be that short. I can't know for sure until Monday, but I'll PM you later Monday afternoon with options (if any).
I appreciate that, thanks.
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Heres a steampunk solution, I have used a 1 inch threadless aheadset on a threaded fork,and used 2 lock nut combo to preload.
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Originally Posted by lostarchitect View Post
I'm replacing the headset on my '83 Trek. It's a Tange unit with a stack height of about 32mm. Are there any new 1" threaded headsets made with a comparable stack height? I would prefer alloy. I know I can get a steel Tange Passage, but I am looking for something that is hopefully lighter and higher quality.
Aluminum headsets need to be thicker than steel headsets because aluminum isn't as strong as steel. I'm not aware of any aluminum headsets with 32mm stack. What's wrong with the Tange "Passage" other than being steel?
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Originally Posted by lee kenney View Post
Heres a steampunk solution, I have used a 1 inch threadless aheadset on a threaded fork,and used 2 lock nut combo to preload.
This is a viable Plan-B solution. A 19mm threadless headset would leave room for washers and a locknut. It would be ideal with a split type locknut which can be locked in position after adjustment. Another alternative would be a locknut that has an O-ring, since these tend to stay put pretty well.
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
Aluminum headsets need to be thicker than steel headsets because aluminum isn't as strong as steel. I'm not aware of any aluminum headsets with 32mm stack. What's wrong with the Tange "Passage" other than being steel?
+1. Your Trek made-do with a steel headset for decades; why does it need an aluminum headset alluvasudden?
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As I said, it's a preference. I want to try something different. I have already been referred to aluminum headsets with 33 millimeter stack heights, so obviously they are out there. A secondary preference is for sealed or roller bearings, which the passage doesn't have. I'm here to ask for suggestions--I already know I can fall back on the passage if I can't find something that fits my preferences. If you guys have any useful suggestions I'll be glad to hear them.
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Aluminum AND sealed? You shan't find anything with less stack than the Gripnut @33mm. If that's too pricey, wellll..... you can hunt for used/NOS loose-ball stuff if you like. Or drop a tenner on a Tange Passage, b/c you're looking for something that ain't out there.
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You mention the gripnut and say nothing like that exists in the same breath...uh. Thanks for your input?
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For the web search impaired..

http://chrisking.com/headsets/hds_gnut .. http://chrisking.com/files/pdfs/GripNut.pdf

Tightening the Collet squeezes the threads , because its a wedge tapered ring, and the top nut
pulls down against the adjusting ring


the bottom race is same on all 1" headset.. likewise the 9/8" series .. the top race does have varieties.


perhaps the ends of the headtube can be cut down some , to use the thicker cups ,
and thus make the fork steerer relatively longer and not change the head tube angle ,
like, technically, a thicker bottom race would.
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Originally Posted by HillRider View Post
The old Shimano retainer ball headsets (HP-6400 and similar) had a stack height of around 32 mm so if you can find one NOS that should work. The newer Shimano cartridge bearing headsets (HP-6500, etc.) had stack heights of about 37 mm so they won't work for you.

I never did understand why Trek cut their steerers to exactly match the stack heights of the particular headset they used with no slack for any replacements. My '92 1420 was made that way too and I had trouble finding a replacement that fit. The HP-6400 worked but, when it finally failed, I "upgraded" to a new fork with a longer steerer to let me use more readily available headsets.
Agreed; one of the things I liked about Bridgestone bikes is that they had xtra washers in the HS stack so it is very easy to find a replacement. I don't understand why all manufacturers did that.
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Agreed; one of the things I liked about Bridgestone bikes is that they had xtra washers in the HS stack so it is very easy to find a replacement. I don't understand why all manufacturers did that.
Now that you mention it, my '85 Bridgestone 400 did have enough extra steerer length that replacement headset stack height wasn't a big issue.
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Agreed; one of the things I liked about Bridgestone bikes is that they had xtra washers in the HS stack so it is very easy to find a replacement. I don't understand why all manufacturers did that.
Now that you mention this, I realized my headset has 2 spacers in it, making the effective stack height more than I thought! I have a lot more options than I thought I did, and in various price ranges, too. Thanks to everyone who had suggestions, but it looks like I will have no problem finding something that will work.
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You mention the gripnut and say nothing like that exists in the same breath...uh. Thanks for your input?
You want an aluminum sealed headset at 32mm; the gripnut @33mm is too pricey for you. You've eliminated all of your options. At this point. you just want ppl to google for you. Kinda sad.
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Originally Posted by lostarchitect View Post
Now that you mention this, I realized my headset has 2 spacers in it, making the effective stack height more than I thought! I have a lot more options than I thought I did, and in various price ranges, too. Thanks to everyone who had suggestions, but it looks like I will have no problem finding something that will work.
For future reference determine the maximum stack height needed by measuring the steerer from top of the fork crown (below the crown race) to the top, and the length of the head tube (excluding cups) and subtracting. This will tell you exactly what you're dealing with so there's no guess work.
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You want an aluminum sealed headset at 32mm; the gripnut @33mm is too pricey for you. You've eliminated all of your options. At this point. you just want ppl to google for you. Kinda sad.
I didn't say the gripnut was too pricey, I said I'd hold it in reserve in case nothing less expensive came up. I can google for myself, I was asking what people KNOW of--you know, things that won't come up under your standard google searches. You are not being helpful, I don't know why you're hanging around.
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