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Old 03-12-14, 05:42 PM
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Defected Brooks B17 ?

Hello folks,

I bought a brand new Brooks B17 saddle online. While I was looking at it delightfully today I noticed something which disturbed me a lot.
I need some opinions if any of you experienced Brooks users can share ideas.

Here are some photos;
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8jzvpaz076hyfoy/photo%201.JPG
https://www.dropbox.com/s/aylrp1ibyvbz0rd/photo%202.JPG
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n25n3yydri3dn2l/photo%203.JPG

As you can realize the left side of the saddle from the bottom view looks a bit deformed and feels more softer than the overall. As you can see on the 3rd photo the outer surface also has some deformation near the edge line, whilst on the other side it's much more stiffer and smoother.

Is this normal or is the item defective? I'm a bit upset in the middle of the night and I have to solve this if it is a faulty item.

Thanks a lot
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Looks with in the realm of normal to me. Brooks are leather so they will change shape as you ride them. If your body is slightly crooked the saddle will take your bodys shape. If you are having buyers remorse send it back before you ride it. Roger
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Looks with in the realm of normal to me. Brooks are leather so they will change shape as you ride them. If your body is slightly crooked the saddle will take your bodys shape. If you are having buyers remorse send it back before you ride it. Roger
I haven't ridden with it yet. I can't really be quite sure if it's the nature of leather or else. Thanks anyways..
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Looks a bit funky to me, certainly not the same composition on both sides. I'd be concerned about the mushy side not holding form. Did you buy from an authorized seller online? Ask them about it.

Also, Brooks has answered all of my email questions in a timely fashion as well.

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Originally Posted by Shepp30 View Post
Looks a bit funky to me, certainly not the same composition on both sides. I'd be concerned about the mushy not holding form. Did you buy from an authorized seller online? Ask them about it.

Also, Brooks has answered my email questions in a timely fashion as well.
Yeah I both sent emails to Brooks and the LBS. Unfortunately it's night time here. I have to wait for the official answer until tomorrow.
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nothing jumps out at me as abnormal when looking at those pics.
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Chinese Brooks perhaps? Even if you buy from an authorized dealer, that doesn't mean you buying an original one.
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I don't see anything wrong with it. but its hard for me to see anything
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I don't see anything wrong with it. but its hard for me to see anything
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It's LEATHER, which is a natural product. As such, it isn't perfectly uniform (no matter how carefully selected), and has a natural grain, which can make one side look different than the other.

If you want a perfectly uniform saddle, but a plastic one.

Sorry to sound snooty, but like the others, I find this to be within the range of normal.
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Originally Posted by junoxvc View Post
. . . I noticed something which disturbed me a lot. . .
Then you will absolutely hate what happens to it when you install and sit on it.
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The nice thing about plastic saddles is how nice and uniform you can make them.
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Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
It's LEATHER, which is a natural product. As such, it isn't perfectly uniform (no matter how carefully selected), and has a natural grain, which can make one side look different than the other.

If you want a perfectly uniform saddle, but a plastic one.

Sorry to sound snooty, but like the others, I find this to be within the range of normal.
Well, you kind of right, but on the other hand my leather couches and carsnseats are just perfect, and made from a HUGE piece of natural leather. Brooks saddles are famous for few things...Here is something from their website "It is not the name of Brooks which makes the saddle good, but the saddle, and its excellence, that makes the name supreme."
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it looks like the leather "skirt" (that hangs over the rails) has been flexed on one side, but not the other. This could be just the grain of the leather, or it could have gotten bent out at some point in the production or packing process.
Whatever the case, the "skirt" part of the leather doesn't indicate that the part you sit on will be asymmetrical.

I'd recommend you ride it and break it in like a normal Brooks saddle.
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Originally Posted by rhenning View Post
Looks with in the realm of normal to me. Brooks are leather so they will change shape as you ride them. If your body is slightly crooked the saddle will take your bodys shape. If you are having buyers remorse send it back before you ride it. Roger


Originally Posted by junoxvc View Post
I haven't ridden with it yet. I can't really be quite sure if it's the nature of leather or else. Thanks anyways..
If you'll read his post, you'll see that Roger was aware you've not ridden it yet; hence, the good advice of making the return before it's too late. Your saddle doesnt seem abnormal, but it seems that you aren't satisfied with it. Brooks makes suspended leather saddles; expecting exact symmetry will surely lead to disappointment, especially as it breaks in.
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Originally Posted by lopek77 View Post
Well, you kind of right, but on the other hand my leather couches and carsnseats are just perfect, and made from a HUGE piece of natural leather. Brooks saddles are famous for few things...Here is something from their website "It is not the name of Brooks which makes the saddle good, but the saddle, and its excellence, that makes the name supreme."
Surely you can see the difference between a suspended leather saddle and leather upholstered couches and car seats?
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Surely you can see the difference between a suspended leather saddle and leather upholstered couches and car seats?
I'm talking about the meaning of FBs opinion - which /not a big deal/, but is misleading.
I used to have leather bags, trunks and other leader containers. I assure you it was never made with wrinkles like that. I'm talking about same quality and very similar thickness of the leather. With some bags it felt like I'm carrying the whole cow it was that heavy lol
It's obvious that for the leather seat that should be perfectly symmetrical, bigger wrinkles/imperfections will prevent the saddle from forming to the riders body correctly.
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Brooks in the middle

http://oceanaircycles.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/6.21-Saddle-comp-1070037.jpg


http://www.treefortbikes.com/images/raw/BrooksB17_5.jpg

Brooks on the left

http://biketouringnews.com/wp-conten...0/IMG_2428.jpg
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Thanks for all the comments. It's my first Brooks saddle and I'm pretty sure it's an original product. I was just kinda unsure about it this pretty normal to have one side softer than the other. It's not the whole flap, it's just the edge of it. But that side can bend far easily than the other side. I know that the most important part of the saddle is the area that your bones sit. But I can't take away myself from the idea of riding a faulty item perhaps. Anyways if that's fine I want to use it. I'm just wondering if that wrinkled part would make the saddle worse. Because it's really soft, and Brooks have feeling like a wooden material when it first comes to hand.
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I was just kinda unsure about it this pretty normal to have one side softer than the other. It's not the whole flap, it's just the edge of it. But that side can bend far easily than the other side. I'm just wondering if that wrinkled part would make the saddle worse. Because it's really soft
You still asking? You just answered yourself that it's a faulty product. It's your decision now what you going to do. Its a no brainer to me, but some forum members have lower standards and they are OK with imperfections in brand new and pretty expensive products...No idea why...
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Originally Posted by lopek77 View Post
You still asking? You just answered yourself that it's a faulty product. It's your decision now what you going to do. Its a no brainer to me, but some forum members have lower standards and they are OK with imperfections in brand new and pretty expensive products...No idea why...
You're right man. I asked for a replacement and the LBS agreed with it.
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Originally Posted by lopek77 View Post
Well, you kind of right, but on the other hand my leather couches and carsnseats are just perfect, and made from a HUGE piece of painted leather. [/FONT][/COLOR]
Fixed it for you.
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you got the lowest cost model .. underside of Rivet set, shows that .. if you spend more money ,
then the leather selection is more premium too ..

Not up to your level of desired perfection ?, send it back .



leather is not consistant like plastic can be ..

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you got the lowest cost model .. underside of Rivet set, shows that .. if you spend more money ,
then the leather selection is more premium too ..
B S! Brooks prides themselves on, and advertises, only quality products/materials. That should have been second if sold at all.
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The " Select " uses different hide grades than basic .. they say so ..

feedlot 'finished' cattle , vs Grass fed grazing in the field , till slaughter

hand set copper rivets and skivved edge of the skirt ,are extra cost hand labor features ..
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