Installing new Kool Stop pads in Universal Brakes - HOW TO?
#1
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 197
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times
in
3 Posts
Installing new Kool Stop pads in Universal Brakes - HOW TO?
Friends,
I searched and didn't see this covered anywhere ... probably because the answer is super simple. I recently bought some new salmon Kool Stop pads for use in my Universal Mod. 77 brakes. However ... the pads came without the metal holders. Looking at my existing pads (the original Universal pads - hard as a rock), I can't see how I could take out the old pads and install the new ones.
What am I missing? Should I have bought the holders in addition to the pads? Is there some way to open the existing holders to replace the pads that I am unaware of?
Thank you in advance!
I searched and didn't see this covered anywhere ... probably because the answer is super simple. I recently bought some new salmon Kool Stop pads for use in my Universal Mod. 77 brakes. However ... the pads came without the metal holders. Looking at my existing pads (the original Universal pads - hard as a rock), I can't see how I could take out the old pads and install the new ones.
What am I missing? Should I have bought the holders in addition to the pads? Is there some way to open the existing holders to replace the pads that I am unaware of?
Thank you in advance!
#2
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 38,689
Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter
Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5772 Post(s)
Liked 2,563 Times
in
1,420 Posts
If you bought just the pads (piece of rubber with dovetail back) These are specific to holders, probably Shimano, but they also make others.
You could buy KS pads with holders as a set, then buy pads only later. Or you could buy one-piece shoes with hardware, such as a KS Supra. Be aware that your slots are made for 6mm hardware, so some kits (such as made for Campagnolo) won't fit.
You could buy KS pads with holders as a set, then buy pads only later. Or you could buy one-piece shoes with hardware, such as a KS Supra. Be aware that your slots are made for 6mm hardware, so some kits (such as made for Campagnolo) won't fit.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
#3
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 197
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times
in
3 Posts
This is what I bought: Kool Stop Campagnolo Campy Old Bike Brake Pad Inserts Set 2 Pair Salmon Bicycle | eBay So, yeah ... just the rubber inserts.
I thought they were replaceable, but I guess not?
I thought they were replaceable, but I guess not?
#4
Banned
If you had a Campagnolo brake with the slip in pad, then you could, but you did say you have a Universal brake , old, & Italian, but another company entirely..
Suggest: Buy the Koolstop Continental .. pad and mounting stud molded as 1 piece
Kool Stop Continental Brake Pads at BikeTiresDirect
Suggest: Buy the Koolstop Continental .. pad and mounting stud molded as 1 piece
Kool Stop Continental Brake Pads at BikeTiresDirect
Last edited by fietsbob; 04-04-14 at 10:05 AM.
#5
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 38,689
Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter
Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5772 Post(s)
Liked 2,563 Times
in
1,420 Posts
This is what I bought: Kool Stop Campagnolo Campy Old Bike Brake Pad Inserts Set 2 Pair Salmon Bicycle | eBay So, yeah ... just the rubber inserts.
I thought they were replaceable, but I guess not?
I thought they were replaceable, but I guess not?
__________________
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
#6
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: San Jose (Willow Glen) Ca
Posts: 9,840
Bikes: Kirk Custom JK Special, '84 Team Miyata,(dura ace old school) 80?? SR Semi-Pro 600 Arabesque
Mentioned: 106 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2337 Post(s)
Liked 2,818 Times
in
1,539 Posts
If you had a Campagnolo brake with the slip in pad, then you could, but you did say you have a Universal brake , old, & Italian, but another company entirely..
Suggest: Buy the Koolstop Continental .. pad and mounting stud molded as 1 piece
Kool Stop Continental Brake Pads at BikeTiresDirect
Suggest: Buy the Koolstop Continental .. pad and mounting stud molded as 1 piece
Kool Stop Continental Brake Pads at BikeTiresDirect
__________________
Life is too short not to ride the best bike you have, as much as you can
(looking for Torpado Super light frame/fork or for Raleigh International frame fork 58cm)
Life is too short not to ride the best bike you have, as much as you can
(looking for Torpado Super light frame/fork or for Raleigh International frame fork 58cm)
#8
Banned
I even managed to get them to work on the CLB side-pulls on my old Brompton Mk2
took some drink can aluminum shim wrapped around the stud as the slot for the pads was wider than 6mm.
the shims centered the stud in the wider slot.
took some drink can aluminum shim wrapped around the stud as the slot for the pads was wider than 6mm.
the shims centered the stud in the wider slot.
#9
Senior Member
#10
Junior Member
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 12
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Hello All,
I'm looking to buy brake pads and shoes for my universal mod. 51 brake set. they are for my dad's vintage Bianchi. see attached.
https://postimg.org/image/nwgxfch8z/
What alternatives will do the trick?
I would like to get red coloured pads.
Weimann, Schwinn, dia comp, etc... will these or others work?
Thanks
I'm looking to buy brake pads and shoes for my universal mod. 51 brake set. they are for my dad's vintage Bianchi. see attached.
https://postimg.org/image/nwgxfch8z/
What alternatives will do the trick?
I would like to get red coloured pads.
Weimann, Schwinn, dia comp, etc... will these or others work?
Thanks
#11
Senior Member
any road bike brake pads with treaded studs will work for you .
#12
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Fredericksburg, Va
Posts: 9,579
Bikes: '65 Frejus TDF, '73 Bottecchia Giro d'Italia, '83 Colnago Superissimo, '84 Trek 610, '84 Trek 760, '88 Pinarello Veneto, '88 De Rosa Pro, '89 Pinarello Montello, '94 Burley Duet, 97 Specialized RockHopper, 2010 Langster, Tern Link D8
Mentioned: 73 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1607 Post(s)
Liked 2,216 Times
in
1,103 Posts
I have Mod 61 calipers and have simply replaced the whole unit as suggested by @fietsbob. One of the dimensions you need to pay attention to for replacement units is the pad to mounting surface distance. Some are less than original and will cause you headaches when trying to adjust.
#13
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Portland OR
Posts: 7,639
Bikes: 61 Bianchi Specialissima 71 Peugeot G50 7? P'geot PX10 74 Raleigh GranSport 75 P'geot UO8 78? Raleigh Team Pro 82 P'geot PSV 86 P'geot PX 91 Bridgestone MB0 92 B'stone XO1 97 Rans VRex 92 Cannondale R1000 94 B'stone MB5 97 Vitus 997
Mentioned: 146 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 392 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 49 Times
in
31 Posts
Will the Koolstop inserts for Mafac holders also work in the Universal Mod 77 holders and similar holders?
The Koolstop Continental pad+holder work but do change the "look" of the brakeset.
The Koolstop Continental pad+holder work but do change the "look" of the brakeset.
#14
Junior Member
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 12
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
I would like to keep the look of the metal shoe. Does kool stop make anything with a threaded stud that fit these shoes? See attached.
Please help!!!
Thanks
#15
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Pinole, CA, USA
Posts: 17,392
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 443 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 27 Times
in
25 Posts
You could try to find some Campagnolo holders. Kool Stop pads are available for them and easy to change since one end of the ends of the holders is open. The holders will probably be very expensive. The Kool Stop Continentals will work for you, but I think they're hideous.
#16
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Portland OR
Posts: 7,639
Bikes: 61 Bianchi Specialissima 71 Peugeot G50 7? P'geot PX10 74 Raleigh GranSport 75 P'geot UO8 78? Raleigh Team Pro 82 P'geot PSV 86 P'geot PX 91 Bridgestone MB0 92 B'stone XO1 97 Rans VRex 92 Cannondale R1000 94 B'stone MB5 97 Vitus 997
Mentioned: 146 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 392 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 49 Times
in
31 Posts
The MAFAC pads have exactly the same bevel angle and width as Campagnolo NR/SR, but they're longer. There is no reason to believe that they will fit Universal holders.
You could try to find some Campagnolo holders. Kool Stop pads are available for them and easy to change since one end of the ends of the holders is open. The holders will probably be very expensive. The Kool Stop Continentals will work for you, but I think they're hideous.
You could try to find some Campagnolo holders. Kool Stop pads are available for them and easy to change since one end of the ends of the holders is open. The holders will probably be very expensive. The Kool Stop Continentals will work for you, but I think they're hideous.
I'm interested because I have a bike with Universal brakes (mod 61) that will eventually get restored, so I'll have this issue too.
#17
Banned
Mafac pads have round dots in their faces 4 dot is the road/centerpull /criterium Cantilever .. 5 dot was the longer tandem long arm cantilever
I see KS has a replica 4 dot insert made , now..
I see KS has a replica 4 dot insert made , now..
#18
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Pinole, CA, USA
Posts: 17,392
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 443 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 27 Times
in
25 Posts
Is it practical to hand-cut the appropriate bevel in a Mafac pad? Clamp the pad in a vise and cut with a razor/utility knife, or Dremel w/ cutting disk?
I'm interested because I have a bike with Universal brakes (mod 61) that will eventually get restored, so I'll have this issue too.
I'm interested because I have a bike with Universal brakes (mod 61) that will eventually get restored, so I'll have this issue too.
#19
Banned
the keystone-fishtail part of the pads for Mafac 'dot' holder-shoes is Narrower than the Campag traditional holder .
But as said the Universals may be different from either . ~o)
But as said the Universals may be different from either . ~o)
#20
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Pinole, CA, USA
Posts: 17,392
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 443 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 27 Times
in
25 Posts
That is absolutely not true. I used Campy pads in MAFAC holders until they started making the MAFAC replacement pads. Like I said, the MAFAC pads are just a bit longer, but the width and bevel angle is identical.
#21
Banned
Ok an Update , old people forget ... Its been 25 + years .. never bothered with the mafac shoes at all ,
just fit a whole new KS eagle claw pad in.. function over appearance.
I stuffed in KS made Matthauser pads that they made longer ones with the dia compe folded type holder , in the Modolo ones
last plain post brake I got NL made Spooky I got a TRP adjust in Place brake shoe set. the use the KS Dura 2 pads in their holders .
just fit a whole new KS eagle claw pad in.. function over appearance.
I stuffed in KS made Matthauser pads that they made longer ones with the dia compe folded type holder , in the Modolo ones
last plain post brake I got NL made Spooky I got a TRP adjust in Place brake shoe set. the use the KS Dura 2 pads in their holders .
#23
Banned
Own them already?
as said above these will work just not the same Look
https://www.biketiresdirect.com/produ...FU1bfgod2xcAUA
as said above these will work just not the same Look
https://www.biketiresdirect.com/produ...FU1bfgod2xcAUA
#24
Junior Member
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 12
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Own them already?
as said above these will work just not the same Look
Kool Stop Continental Brake Pads at BikeTiresDirect
as said above these will work just not the same Look
Kool Stop Continental Brake Pads at BikeTiresDirect