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Old 05-26-14, 09:26 AM
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Sun M13II with Quanta sealed bearing hubs?

Any feedback on these wheels? They are really inexpensive, and I need a set for a vintage Schwinn super sport build. I keep looking for a set of wheels on ebay, etc, but do not come up with anything. I might even consider a set of tubulars, as this will be a secondary bike.

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You're talking about these wheels from velomine, Sun M13 Silver 700c SEALED Bearing Road Bike Wheels 126mm Fits Vintage Bikes | eBay

They have consistently some of the lowest prices I've seen on machine built wheels. I'm thinking of buying a different pair of wheels from them because their prices are good and their service seems reasonable. I know nothing about these wheels but if you can true your own wheels, you probably won't go wrong on them is my guess. Sealed is good as well since replacement parts should be available.
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Old 05-26-14, 09:54 AM
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Yes, those, go to their website direct however.
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Yes, those, go to their website direct however.
Buy 'em and let me know what you think before I buy mine, . Always good to take one for the team. Seriously, I'm buying a pair today. I figure the parts on the wheels I'm getting are worth more than the built price so it's hard to go wrong.
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I bought a set of "Wheel Master" Weinmann LP18's laced to Quanta hubs from Niagara Cycle for an old Peugeot UO-8. Spoke tension wasn't great out of the box and they're not for the high-dollar weight weenie crowd, but they're otherwise perfectly serviceable.
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They're unfinished wheels.

You'll need to pay extra to have them finished.

Furthermore, those Sun rims are very very soft cheap rims - about 1/4-1/2 will have defective joints...or just simply poor joint finish.

You get what you pay for...

Just an extra 10% of effort into these rims by Sun would have resulted decent replacement rims for a lot of old vintage bikes - but I guess Sun is not interested.

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Mrrabbit,
If it were your bike, what would you be looking for? I would love to find a set of grey anodized vintage tubulars or clinchers that will accept my freewheel. Few and far between at a sane asking price.
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If it were your bike, what would you be looking for? I would love to find a set of grey anodized vintage tubulars or clinchers that will accept my freewheel. Few and far between at a sane asking price.
JetSet does have a clincher that is very "Rigida" like.

Wouldn't surprise me if that is the rim that Velo Orange uses and relabels?

Would appear that Velo Orange only provides polished silver...JetSet of course offers anodized or powder coat.

JETSET - PRODUCTS

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I'm sure that the velo-orange product is very nice, however at triple the price, I would expect as much. I guess I need to keep looking for a set of near mint vintage wheels. Do you have any suggestions at an intermediate price point?

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I'm sure that the velo-orange product is very nice, however at triple the price, I would expect as much. I guess I need to keep looking for a set of near mint vintage wheels. Do you have any suggestions at an intermediate price point?

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Advising on the good, the bad and the ugly is easy.

Determining what is an intermediate price point - that's your job.

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The suns are under 125 to my door, the velo orange 340. I understand quality costs, an intermediate price point would be between those two. In other words I dont want to spend 340, but will spend more than 125 for the right wheel set.
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Originally Posted by Gary3 View Post
Any feedback on these wheels? They are really inexpensive, and I need a set for a vintage Schwinn super sport build. I keep looking for a set of wheels on ebay, etc, but do not come up with anything. I might even consider a set of tubulars, as this will be a secondary bike.



Regards

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I bought a set of these wheels with the Quanta hubs from Harris Cyclery 2 seasons ago. 2 months into the riding season I began breaking spokes. I finally had to have the rear wheel re-laced. One month after that I noticed the sealed bearings in the rear began stiffening up. Although they are not as smooth as original, I'm still using them on my other bike.
My last purchase of machine built wheels. The Quanta hubs should be OK as they use a very standard press fit 6000 series sealed bearing. Good luck!
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I'd go with the velomine wheels but get the ones with the sun CR18 rims rather than the sun m13. The CR 18 is a little wider so it should be a bit more forgiving. I've had good luck with Sun rims and parts for the hubs will be readily available. I'd keep an eye on the spoke tension but I'd buy them.
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Old 05-26-14, 11:27 PM
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I built a set of M13 II's for my hybrid.
32 spoke with 15/16 DB spokes front and NDS with 14/15 DB DS on CHEAP Shimano hubs.
With about 30 miles on the wheels, I dropped the rear into an old fashioned storm sewer grate, bouncing my 240 lb. butt about 8-10" off the seat.
The rim did bend some and I did lose some tension on a couple spokes. Probably about a .030" (.75mm) "flare" between the brake tracks.
I had a 28mm tire on it.
About 20- minutes with the truing stand & tension meter and I had it back to even tension (probably +/-3%) and really totally serviceable.
For a "crap rim", I was quite pleased.

I've built wheels with the M13's & 4 CR-18's.
5/6 have had a noticeable flat spot at the rim joint, but for a $30 rim......
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I've built wheels with the M13's & 4 CR-18's.
5/6 have had a noticeable flat spot at the rim joint, but for a $30 rim......
Noticeable when you ride or noticeable when you spin it in the stand? I have a set of Araya red labels on another bike. The rear has a flat spot at the joint and another from an impact, neither are bothersome to ride.
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Noticeable when you ride or noticeable when you spin it in the stand? I have a set of Araya red labels on another bike. The rear has a flat spot at the joint and another from an impact, neither are bothersome to ride.
Noticeable on the stand. Far too small to notice any tire "aberration"on my 26mm tires.
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I have the M13 II/Quanta wheels from bicyclewheelguy on ebay. The look and work fine on my '86 Super Sport.
2000+ miles on them now. I have had to file down the joint on one, but perfect otherwise. I would buy them again.
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I dont want to start a new thread, so what is the opinion of the appearance of the CR-18?

I notice that the Sun Ringle 700c CR-18 are occasionally listed as "29er", and while I have never tried to fit a 700c tire on a 29er or vice versa, I am curious if using these rims would look like Mountain Bike Wheels on a vintage frame?
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i have two sets of the Sun ME13II's. both are polished, 630mm (27") rims. one 36h laced to old Shimano 600 hubs and the other 32H laced to Novatech high flanged track hubs. they remind me of Araya red labeled A20's.

a fine price/performance match.
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I dont want to start a new thread, so what is the opinion of the appearance of the CR-18?

I notice that the Sun Ringle 700c CR-18 are occasionally listed as "29er", and while I have never tried to fit a 700c tire on a 29er or vice versa, I am curious if using these rims would look like Mountain Bike Wheels on a vintage frame?
I think they look pretty decent.
They are 22.5mm external width/17.5 internal.

I've built a set in 27" and the 27X1-1/4" tire looks "correct" on it.
The picture actually is a 27X1-3/8" rear and X1-1/8" front.

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