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Stem vs. handlebar sizes
I just ordered a stem without noticing that it has a 25.4mm clamp. The bars I want to use it with have a 26mm diameter. Is 0.6mm enough to make it not work? If so, should I sand the inside of the stem until it fits?
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You're going to need to buy the right size stem or handlebar. You can sometimes fit a smaller handlebar into a larger stem (with a shim) but really can't go the other way.
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No, return the stem and get one the proper diameter or get bars with the correct center diameter. The stem/handlebar interface is no place to have a mis-match.
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Originally Posted by FarHorizon
(Post 17375986)
If so, should I sand the inside of the stem until it fits?
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Opinions differ.
At one end of the scale: -Nonono. Puitting a 26.0 bar in a 25.4 stem will put a crimp in the bar which will cause premature failure at the worst possible moment. Prepare to kiss pavement and make your dentist rich. Middle: - Doable, but not recommended. Middle, with detail: - It's OK if it's a two-screw face plate, as it'll flex enough to avoid crimping. It's not OK on a 4-screw faceplate. Other end: -yeah, it's fine. It's a bike for crying out loud, not a nuclear reactor containment vessel. I've used an adjustable reamer to turn a 25.4 stem into a 26.0 stem. Takes minutes. The trick is to insert something between stem + face plate and then tighten the screws to hold the face plate in position during work. A brake cylinder hone will take ages. Sanding works too, but you need to take care to keep the profile round. Wrapping one layer of fairly fine grit abrasive paper round a 25.4 bar would probably work OK. Or a coarser grit around a 25.0 piece of tubing. or... |
If there were a 26mm stem with the same dimensions, I'd buy one. There isn't. Therefore, I'll do this the simple way. A big rat-tail file to start with followed by some sanding to smooth out the work. I can get within 0.2mm of 26, I bet. I'll also bet my life that the kludge will work for at least 20 years without failure. I've modified other aluminum parts before and never had a single problem. That said, I WILL periodically inspect the stem for stress cracking (both outside and inside the clamp). If I see anything that begins to show signs of stress, it's new stem time. Should I accidentally take too much metal off the stem clamp, I can always use an aluminum-can shim (which I've also done before). If I were working with carbon, then yes, the fit would need to be perfect. Aluminum is more forgiving provided it isn't subjected to environmental corrosion and/or exceptional stress. Stems are manufactured with a SIGNIFICANT safety factor (unless they're carbon). 0.6mm isn't going to weaken this part significantly.
Phrased another way, I'm far more comfortable about my safety using a modified aluminum stem than I'd be using a brand-new carbon one. The aluminum has FAR more safety factor built into it. The carbon trades safety factor for light weight. |
It's not the stem clamp that's the safety bottleneck, it's the bar.
And I really do suggest you use something else than a rat tail file. Even a broom handle with several layers of abrasive paper around it would be a better choice. Put the stem on loosely and spin it. When resistance drops too much, tighten the clamp, spin, repeat. I'm quite confident in my fabrication skills, but I'm quite certain I'd create both an undesired waist, and an out of round clamp if I were to take a rat tail file to a stem. |
I use 25.4 bars in 25.0 stems on my French bikes. It's a tight fit but works. I don't think you will need to remove much material to get a 26 into a 25.4.
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The bar clamp isn't symmetrical. On the stem side, there are two "outer rails" on the clamp that hold the bar. On the "crown" side of the stem, the clamp is solid. It is a 4-bolt crown. A picture is worth a thousand words:
http://i963.photobucket.com/albums/a...psc53e9c65.jpg |
Originally Posted by FarHorizon
(Post 17377851)
The bar clamp isn't symmetrical. On the stem side, there are two "outer rails" on the clamp that hold the bar. On the "crown" side of the stem, the clamp is solid. It is a 4-bolt crown. A picture is worth a thousand words:
http://i963.photobucket.com/albums/a...psc53e9c65.jpg It's the design by some considered to be a higher risk due to a greater force concentration by the edges. Again accidentally crimping the bar and creating a stress riser as the envisioned failure mode. |
Alternative, the next option, Oversize bar clamp the new standard ... 1 1/4", then machined shims reduce it to either 1" Or 26mm
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Originally Posted by fietsbob
(Post 17377958)
Alternative, the next option, Oversize bar clamp the new standard ... 1 1/4", then machined shims reduce it to either 1" Or 26mm
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Math .. 9/8" *... 1.125".. 1 1/8 ~ 28.6mm [= 28.575mm] , not 31.8. 1.25" = 31.75mm
*1.125 is a steerer tube standard these days, though , so .. half mark score. 35 mm = 1.37795275591 inch |
It doesn't require math. Just go to one of the many conversion sites online.
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Originally Posted by fietsbob
(Post 17378119)
Math .. 9/8" *... 1.125".. 1 1/8 ~ 28.6mm [= 28.575mm] , not 31.8. 1.25" = 31.75mm
*1.125 is a steerer tube standard these days, though , so .. half mark score. 35 mm = 1.37795275591 inch |
Interwebs are good at Math. :thumb:
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FWIW - The 25.4 stem arrived, and I took to it with a rat-tail file. Within 10 minutes, it fits the 26mm bars like a glove, there is no play, and when you look for daylight between the bars and clamp, there is none. With the stem cap torqued down, I can't force the bars to move. After trying, I took the bars loose and checked - there is no galling or pressure point(s) visible.
So I'm content with the 25.4 to 26 conversion via use of the rat-tail file. YMMV |
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