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Old 01-26-15, 03:13 PM
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Kickstand claims another victim, any reason to be overly concerned?

Noooo not my 520!

I purposefully didn't tighten the clamp bolt hard too, only enough to stabilize the stand, and yet I still managed to damage the stays.

Now to be fair, I'd be lying if I said I haven't ridden steel bikes with bigger dents than this with no problems. I'm just mad I could have prevented this one.

I'm sure the frame is fine (reassured by previous similar posts), but I'd like some more opinions.

It's a 1987 Trek 520, Reynolds 531 Chromoly.

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Old 01-26-15, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by turbofeedus View Post
. . . I'm sure the frame is fine (reassured by previous similar posts), but I'd like some more opinions. . .
Here's one: Public pud pulling is not pretty.
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Old 01-26-15, 03:38 PM
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frame this response and put it on your desk...

"Looks like superficial paint damage, nothing to concern yourself with".

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Old 01-26-15, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by turbofeedus View Post
Noooo not my 520!

I purposefully didn't tighten the clamp bolt hard too, only enough to stabilize the stand, and yet I still managed to damage the stays.

Now to be fair, I'd be lying if I said I haven't ridden steel bikes with bigger dents than this with no problems. I'm just mad I could have prevented this one.

I'm sure the frame is fine (reassured by previous similar posts), but I'd like some more opinions.

It's a 1987 Trek 520, Reynolds 531 Chromoly.

https://imgur.com/a/LpQvB
It looks like your kickstand was too loose which allowed it to move on the frame. That will erode the paint and metal. It's almost as bad as over tightening them.

You could mount friction pads under the kickstand clamp, replace them often and clamp the kickstand down tighter . Or, alternatively, get rid of the kickstand altogether. How you feel about kickstands will probably dictate your course of action.
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Old 01-26-15, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
It looks like your kickstand was too loose which allowed it to move on the frame. That will erode the paint and metal. It's almost as bad as over tightening them.

You could mount friction pads under the kickstand clamp, replace them often and clamp the kickstand down tighter . Or, alternatively, get rid of the kickstand altogether. How you feel about kickstands will probably dictate your course of action.
Yeah I think I'll just go without a kickstand. It's not that convenient, not enough to risk this.
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Old 01-26-15, 04:17 PM
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Touch up the paint and mark the date on your frame. Don't ride it hard for more than 50 years and you should be OK.

Worst case, though unlikely, a chain stay may crack. This is one of the least consequential types of frame failure, though it might entail a long walk home.
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Buy two Pletscher Deluxe Top Plates. Drill 2 pilot holes in your kickstand and put on the second set of spacers on the kickstand. Or you can do what this guy did: EcoVelo » Blog Archive » Custom LHT Kickstand Plate
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Old 01-26-15, 05:54 PM
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Greenfield makes stand that clamps to the seat and chain stays near the rear hub. They are much safer IMO.
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What I did with my Miyata 1000LT kick-stand mount was just take a couple of pieces of inner tube on either side of the chain stays ( Right against the paint ), and used the rubber for both protection and a bit of friction to hold the kick-stand in position from twisting. It doesn't have to be real tight to hold its position really well. Once a month or so when it gets out of place, a quick push inward about 1/8 of an inch makes things right. Never had a paint problem at all in this area. My setup is on the same order of that seen on the link, except I made no bracket, just cut 4 pieces out of a bike tube with a hole in the center for the bolt to go through. It's been there for 25 years and counting. I use a "Greenfield" kick-stand. I knew something would have to be done before I mounted this kick-stand because both sides of the mounting plate that would be against the chain stays had little "bumps" on them for some "grip" on the chain stays. That could only be bad for the paint and the steel. I'd think anything remotely close to this would do the job without the trouble of making a bracket as in the link for the Surly. It looks like your damage is mostly cosmetic paint damage, with a bit of indentation of the chain stay steel. Likely with some careful sanding to feather the paint, possibly some steel filler in the "dents" if you feel that's necessary, and some primer and matching paint and your bike would be back in shape.

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Old 01-26-15, 06:08 PM
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To avoid this, I use epoxy putty to form a saddle custom fitted to the kickstand and shaped to fit the chain stay. First I wrap the chain stay with electrical tape so the epoxy putty will not stick to it, I then rough up the kickstand mounting surfaces so the epoxy can get a good grip (I even drill some small shallow holes in the surface). Then I knead some steel epoxy putty and make it into 2 small balls and put them on the kickstand plate and then press it to the frame where I want it and hold it until the epoxy sets (5 min). I then remove it and have an epoxy saddle attached to the kickstand and custom fitted to fit the chain stays. I then do the same thing to the top plate of the kickstand. Let the epoxy fully set overnight and then assemble the whole thing on the bike and you have a very rigid custom-formed kickstand mounted! - I used this for a 2-leg kickstand on our tandem and was very happy with the results. Just be sure to let the epoxy harden overnight before you wrench it down. You also do not need to tighten as much as you would otherwise because the thing will not wiggle at all as long as it is snug.

The Epoxy putty is less than five bucks and this takes about a half hour to do (less the overnight wait).

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Old 01-27-15, 10:02 PM
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Thanks for the replys. I'm gonna take your collective advise, paint over the bear metal and stop worrying about it. In fact, I was thinking about selling this anyway. Seeing as how I have it all apart now, I mind as well put it up for sale.
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Thanks for the replys. I'm gonna take your collective advise, paint over the bear metal and stop worrying about it. In fact, I was thinking about selling this anyway. Seeing as how I have it all apart now, I mind as well put it up for sale.
Bear metal...I thought this was about Reynolds 531.
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Old 01-28-15, 09:24 AM
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Bear metal...I thought this was about Reynolds 531.

You know I was gonna go back and fix it, but I liked the way bear metal sounded too much.
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I use a Velcro strap or a rubber band to lock the front brake. The bike leans well with that method. The one bad thing about a single leg kick stand is that the bike falls on the rear Der. when it falls.

This would be better. https://www.amazon.com/Esge-SKS-Doubl...5ZS0YCBTEW9PSS
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The kickstand on my trike has posed no trouble at all.
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