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Old 04-27-17, 08:26 AM
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My very simplistic argument about bicycle helmet use

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You can read my new article about my decision to wear bicycle helmet here. Let me know what you think!
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Old 04-29-17, 03:06 AM
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I think the young man in the photo will probably suffer a broken neck by the design of his helment (sic).
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Old 04-29-17, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by southpier View Post
I think the young man in the photo will probably suffer a broken neck by the design of his helment (sic).
Haha! You 're right!
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I think you made an argument for wearing a helmet in the kitchen, but not much else.

I have no argument with the claim that helmets save lives. But there are countless things we do every dat that increase or decrease risks. Since, IMO, the issue isn't whether a helmet may possibly save my life or mitigate an injury, it's about how much difference it will likely make in the context of my overall risk profile.

I routinely see riders riding in ways that greatly increase the risk of a crash. Sometimes, one will shout out "where's your helmet". I end up wondering who's actually at greater risk.

The better question is why do countries with the highest use of helmets also have the highest rates of head injuries?

The other is about asymmetry, and why helmet believers feel the need to proselytize the way so many do?


BTW yes, it was a simplistic argument for helmet use.
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Old 04-29-17, 01:56 PM
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And then there are those who have no problem buying an $$$ helmet...
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Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
I think you made an argument for wearing a helmet in the kitchen, but not much else.

I have no argument with the claim that helmets save lives. But there are countless things we do every dat that increase or decrease risks. Since, IMO, the issue isn't whether a helmet may possibly save my life or mitigate an injury, it's about how much difference it will likely make in the context of my overall risk profile.

I routinely see riders riding in ways that greatly increase the risk of a crash. Sometimes, one will shout out "where's your helmet". I end up wondering who's actually at greater risk.

The better question is why do countries with the highest use of helmets also have the highest rates of head injuries?

The other is about asymmetry, and why helmet believers feel the need to proselytize the way so many do?


BTW yes, it was a simplistic argument for helmet use.
Ofcourse there are countless things that increase or decrease risks, but how much that argument adds to the debate?

The article wasn't about whether a country should make helmet use obligatory, it was about whether helmet use decreases or not the risk (as you put it) in every each of us who decides every morning to wear his/her helmet or not.

Lastly, In my experience, both parties of the debate seem eager to proselytize the other.


Some interesting statistics about helmet use: https://www.bhsi.org/stats.htm

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Originally Posted by MightyLegnano View Post
Ofcourse there are countless things that increase or decrease risks, but how much that argument adds to the debate?

The article wasn't about whether a country should make helmet use obligatory, it was about whether helmet use decreases or not the risk (as you put it) in every each of us who decides every morning to wear his/her helmet or not.

Lastly, In my experience, both parties of the debate seem eager to proselytize the other.


Some interesting statistics about helmet use: Bicycle Helmet Statistics
You missed the point that helmet use is only one way to reduce helmet injury, and my reference to the irony of folks who are advocates of helmet use, riding in ways where they increase the risk of crashing and validating that "the helmet saved their life". I prefer to simply avoid crashing in the first place.

Then there's the asymmetry. On one side you have the true believers (like yourself) who feel the need to spread the word and encourage helmet use (not necessarily arguing for mandatory use). On the other, you have people who opt to forgo the helmet, but don't feel the need to tell others to be like them.

While helmet fans like to call folks who choose not to wear them anti-helmet, that's not an apt term since nobody except a small number of oddballs goes around chastising folks for wearing a helmet.

The simple truth is that anti-helmet is simply a pejorative term that the pro-helmet folks invented to describe folks who don't agree with them. We're not anti helmet, we're just not pro-helmet, and that's very different. However, we are opposed to mandatory helmet laws, and may feel the need to speak out against that.

BTW - I'm not here to talk you or anybody else out of wearing a helmet. I'm only here because your OP asked for people to respond with their opinions, which I did. But I guess you really only wanted positive opinions. So, my advice to you has nothing to do with helmets, but is about not asking for opinions if you don't actually want them.
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Originally Posted by MightyLegnano View Post
Some interesting statistics about helmet use: Bicycle Helmet Statistics
Keeping males off bicycles would prevent 87% of bicycle deaths.
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Old 04-30-17, 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
BTW - I'm not here to talk you or anybody else out of wearing a helmet. I'm only here because your OP asked for people to respond with their opinions, which I did. But I guess you really only wanted positive opinions. So, my advice to you has nothing to do with helmets, but is about not asking for opinions if you don't actually want them.
Can I ask what part of my responses made you believe that I am only asking for positive opinions?
I think you are negatively prejudiced towards whomever express pro-helmet views.

This article was my humble opinion on the matter based on my own experiences. Wasn't intended to proselytize and convince people and goverments to wear helmets. A big helicopter accident happened right before my eyes and saw my friend alive again because of his helmet. This experience made me believe that helmets can save your life. That's almost all about it.

If you don't wear a helmet because you think that it has zero protection value, I totally respect it and I would love to read your thoughts and experiences about it.

I totally agree that helmet is not the only way to reduce risk, I've never said anything like that here or in the article. It's just a way to make your head less fragile in the event of an accident. That was my point.

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Originally Posted by tyrion View Post
Keeping males off bicycles would prevent 87% of bicycle deaths.
According to the Ancient Greeks, this would be a 'sofistia'.
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....It's just a way to make your head less fragile in the event of an accident. That was my point.
point well taken!
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point well taken!
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I never gave it that much thought...

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Probably 1/3 of the people in my neck of the woods wear helmets. I actually bought one but, it's still in the box on the backseat of my car. Not that I don't intend to wear it... Every time I get my bike back together again I see some article on some new gadget and it's back on my bench again... I need to ride more and, read less!!! With my helmet on my head and not in the box!!! I know someone that got hit and almost died. Not because of a head injury. A crushed ribcage, broken arm and a leg but, his melon was just fine... Maybe spending $40 is worth it....
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Wifey & I started wearing helmets when our kids started riding bikes. we made them use helmets & didn't see any logic in not wearing them ourselves
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