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Old 10-08-05, 09:08 AM
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what makes a frame good?

apart from the obvious full 4130 and small dropouts, and short rear end(for some riders), what else does a frame gotta have?
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Old 10-08-05, 10:16 AM
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it depends what style you ride. do you ride street, flatland, dirt, or racing
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Old 10-08-05, 10:30 AM
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Good solid welds. Without them it matters not what tubing you have.
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Old 10-08-05, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by PunkGuy
apart from the obvious full 4130 and small dropouts, and short rear end(for some riders), what else does a frame gotta have?

i don't know why people want small dropouts. their driver isn't covered, so they break teeth and snap chains constantly. this isn't a problem for me, i know how to grind, but some people suck
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Old 10-08-05, 05:13 PM
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Geometry and workmanship, which also includes properly bent, drawn and butted tubing.
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Seat stay brake mounts.
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Old 10-08-05, 07:51 PM
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If it's sturdy and strong...and get feedback from other people about the frame as well.
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Old 10-08-05, 09:28 PM
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Are you thinking of building a frame?
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Old 10-09-05, 11:03 AM
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no, i'm gettin a new one hopefully
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Old 10-09-05, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Jerry Garcia
Seat stay brake mounts.


I'm brakeless, but from what i've heard chainstay brakes are smoother.
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Originally Posted by queensrider86
I'm brakeless, but from what i've heard chainstay brakes are smoother.
'Smoother' is more a factor of how much your cable housing bends and how long the cable housing is overall. Tight bends = drag from deformation of the housing. Long cables = drag, sponginess from housing compression. Longer than necessary straddle = slop, decreased braking leverage.
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Old 10-09-05, 08:52 PM
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i was riding my friends bike with brakes today. abubacas and fufanus are pretty easy with brakes. i hopped back fakie and i didn't let go of the lever, so i my back wheel landed and i pivoted and landed straight just like that. brakes make everything easy. it rained today while i was at the banks, so there were puddles. i was doing alley-oop 180 barspins, and the tires were wet so i grabbed the brakes and did like a skid-180 and went fakie, so i rolled back and grabbed the brake again and hopped on the back wheel like 4 times and fell. brakes are cool. too much of a hassle to work on.

i over-crooked the 10 stair today at the banks. missed my back peg and almost fell over the other side.
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Old 10-09-05, 10:39 PM
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CS mounts almost invariably feel better in my experience, but, hey, what do I know?

*sets mental reminder to sand new Shaimano XTR pads*
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Originally Posted by Beerman
CS mounts almost invariably feel better in my experience, but, hey, what do I know
Originally Posted by queensrider86
I'm brakeless, but from what i've heard chainstay brakes are smoother.
I grind right side and have a 30tt sprocket. Cant run chainstay brakes on my bike.
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Old 10-10-05, 09:27 AM
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you can run 23-8 on chainstay mount frames
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Rule 1 to knowing if a frame is good...

1. It must say Kink Freebird on it(or Kinks new Danny Hickersons frame would be ok too)

2. If you can't get that, then get one with seatstay brake mounts, either american, or Mid BB, internal headtube, welded gyro tabs, and it must be in a cool color...

I was thinking the other day...what if Odyssey made frames? That would be cool as hell! Think about it, a 41 thermaled frame, wow my mouth is watering from just thinking about it. If I won the lottery, I would give Odyssye enough money to start manufacturing frames, then no one would have to argue over what frames are ebtter, Kink or S&M, it would be hands down, ODYSSEY.

Thast enough rambling from me for one post.
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Old 10-10-05, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bmichaelx
[snip]Thast enough rambling from me for one post.
Perhaps too much?
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Old 10-11-05, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by bmichaelx
1. It must say Kink Freebird on it(or Kinks new Danny Hickersons frame would be ok too)
Too bad that Danny Hickerson isn't even on Kink anymore, and they won't even be selling that frame, huh? Looks like someone needs to catch up on their BMX news.

edit: And, by the way, Odyssey has stated repeatedly that they're not going to be making frames - ever - so it's not a matter of financial capital at all.
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Old 10-11-05, 01:57 PM
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Jim cielencki is still on Kink though isn't he?
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