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Hoffman bikes: Cool or for little kids?

Old 03-11-03, 02:18 PM
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Hoffman bikes: Cool or for little kids?

Disclaimer: I am an old schooler asking questions about now.

What's the deal with Hoffman bikes today? Do you dudes respect them? Are they solid rides? Most are so cheap and have pastel colors like they are just for little kids. I respect the hell out of Matt and Day. These dudes tear it up. How do the bikes hold up though.

Just looking for a new bike and am curious about these companies. Right now I am leaning towards an S&M.

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I've been around bmx for along time. so my opinion is based on years of experience. Most

frames are pretty much the same these days.

top tube = 20 to 21 inches
rear end = 13.75 to 15 inches
head tube angle = 74 to 75
seat tube angle = 71
materials = 4130 chromo.

some frames have a gusset at the head tube, some have wishbone rear ends. some are made in

the USA some are made overseas. but when you put those specs mentioned above into any given

frame your going to get basicly the same thing.

I've seen frames built by the best frame manufactures break and I've seen supposidly "crap"

frames take a beating and never break.

I have never been into what's "cool" as much as I've been into functionality. If you took

five frames, took the stickers off them, and had a few kids ride them I bet you would get a

better opinion than if you told them they were a Haro, GT, Standard, S&M or whatever. Alot

of the frames are made by the same company to different specs. but the specs are all basicly

the same.

now, quality of materials comes into play, sort of. again, I've seen the best frames break

and seen **** frames not. basicly, ANY frame will break if you want it too, I'm just stating

that over and over because alot of kids think that if the frame is USA made or made from a

special type of steel, the frame will hold up. it all depends....Nothing holds up when you

pound the crap out of it.

I know that didn't answer your question about hoffman being "cool" or not. Matt is selling

to kids(the young ones, not the old ones like myself). so his bikes may or may not be build

w/ full 4130 frames. some are but the parts are pretty much crap if you have been riding for

any amount of time. His bikes are GREAT if your just getting into riding. You have to keep

that in mind, who are they designed for?

I'm too old to care about what is trendy or what my freinds think about my bike.

I would build your own complete rather than buy one from a given company. the reason being is, the parts will be crap for the most part. Go to Danscomp.com or Albes.com and piece together a nice bike. Hoffman frames are nice and not as expensive as some of the other frames. but they are heavy. some bikes today can weigh up to and over 40 pounds. (!) but they will hold up to some serious thrashin.

I mentioned frames only in this as a frame is what really makes a bike. the components

matter of course but are easier and cheaper to replace.

hope that helps.
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Thanks again man.
Just to clarify "cool". By cool I mean it in the sense like in pulp fiction "we cool?" "Yeah ...we cool" . If you look at my arsenal of music equipment, filmmaking equiment and bikes you'd see that I am one to always surprise. When on stage people first laugh at my rack or amp since they are not the standard accepted brands or models. Then when you jam the **** out of the place, they say damnnnnn, how'd you get that sound. Same thing, functionality over propoganda, over brand recognition, over what's hip.

Anyway, in this case "cool" could be defined as "copacetic" "value for the buck" "durable" "up to expectations relative to today's standards" Or do you experienced riders of 2000 with wisdom to share vouch for this brand.

Like I mentioned in another post. I purchased a redline around '94 and I bent it in one day, then realized where they cut there cost in production. I wonder if these companies are at the same level of quality.

I mainly am concerned with the longevity of the bike (overall) relative to a standard thrashing.

Sincerely, thanks for the help. I just didn't want you to think I was some lame punk ass

ps....this type of thinking makes yardsales and flea marts like gold mines to me. God knows how many off brand solid products I bought while others were worrying about brand, mass acceptance, etc.
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no problem.

I think the companys like Huffy, Redline, GT, Haro and Mongoose are all in the same league.

They are no longer (huffy never was) building bikes for the kids that are pushing limits. they are selling to parents who have kids that want a bike to ride.

I would try and stay away from complete bikes. I know hoffman makes completes and I think their frames are fine. but the completes have crap parts that will fall apart if you know how to ride. and from what I can tell, you do.

so again, go to Danscomp.com or better yet albes.com and build a bike from the ground up.

if you have anymore questions, just ask.
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That makes total sense. Thanks buddy!!!
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I am a Hoffman dealer. The Prodigy lines if you are looking for a bike to take alot of abuse will not cut it. However the Team versions of the Hoffman lines are speced good enough to take it. I mean if you want you can get the same rig that Matt, Day, and the rest of the team uses. Sure you can get better parts from a custom build. Anyone knows that, you can also as previously stated build custom a get a super bike. It is all a matter of how much do you want to spend? I can build you a bike that will be as heavy duty as it gets as far as parts go. It will cost you however about $1300. However if you do not have $1300 and would like to ride the same rig Matt does you can procure one of those for about $600 less.
Also all of the Team frames are full 4130 the same goes for the bar and fork. The wheels they offer are very good, as are the after market parts and accesories. So in closing 4130 is 4130 is 4130. There is better tubing, there is bigger pricing what kind of riding are you going to do? You do not want a feather weight for dirt jumping and street. For track and trail maybe not for jumping and grinding and taking big hits. Get the bike that fits what you are going to do and what fits your budget.
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i am building up an hoffman. i use Trend BMX. i have been using them for over ten years. they willl price match, may not have as good as a selection.

back to the hoffman. a freind of mine 6'4, 200LBS ride a hoffman and swears by them.
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Hey. Well Im not sure if you have read any of my past posts but I have a frame for sale. Its a trek vert3 and it is brand new, never used.

specs are: full comoly, 20.5" tt, 1 1/8" ht, 1/4" dropouts, 14mm slots, 990 mounts on the chain stays.

This is a waranty frame. I had an older model vert3 which I broke after 4 years of riding (i am 6'3" 205lbs). I was not expecting to get the frame replaced after that amount of time so i bought another frame. I then found out a month later it was getting replaced. So that is why I have this frame if youre wondering.

Trek doesnt manufacture this frame anymore so I cant refer you to their webpage for info. I think it is a 1999 or 2000 model year frame so if you wanted exact specs you could email them Im sure. I have posted about it in the past asking $250CAD ($170USD) which is what my boss at the bike shop I worked at said it was worth. Im open to other offers of course. Im just tired of kids saying theyll give me $50 for it because like you guys have stated its not one of the 'name' companies. I dont understand why that is such a big deal. I would gladly ride that frame and sell my kink but I dont think I can get the bottom bracket cups out without damaging the kink frame.
Anyways sorry for making this so long. Just let me know if you may be interested and we can talk about price. Thanks.

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