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Old 04-19-07, 08:39 PM
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okay a few noobish questions

i have a few q's, some stuff that could probably be taken care of by some searching but i'm really tight on time right now:

1) what are the main pro's and con's of cassette vs. freewheel
2) what are the main pro's and con's of straight cable vs. gyro
3) what are the main differences between street, park, and dirt frames
4) what are the main pro's and con's of 4130 vs. hi-ten

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Old 04-19-07, 09:09 PM
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Cassettes come with damn near all decent back wheels. Tmowery made a thread about that not too long ago.

Run brakeless, **** cables and gyros.

Don't worry about that, it's just small geometry differences.

Hi-ten sucks, 4130 is what good frames are made out of. The end.
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Engagement and strength, plus gearing choices. Cassettes are just plain better for everything.

Gyro's are useless unless you are throwing triple barspins/tailwhips. They make the brakes harder to set up and are just not worth it.

Street, built strong and have tighter geometry. Park, Built lightish with tight geometry. Trails, Longer, slacker and about as strong as a street frame.

Hi-Ten bends and brakes, it's pure crap.
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Cassettes allow you to run smaller gear ratios, and it's easyer to swap the cog / driver size then switching a freewheel. Also more durable for the most part. Straight cables alow a simpler route to your brake with less friction, and therefor are easyer to set up, maintain, and usually brake smoother and have a stronger pull. However if you are good at dialing brakes, then having a gyro can work just as well with a little more fine tuning, and added maintnence. Frames today are basically all very similar, but trail specific frames usually have a longer rear end and mellower headtube angle, and are usually built very light with thin dropouts that would not be a good idea to run pegs with. Park/ street frames are build stonger with thicker dropouts and sometimes steeper headtube angles, for nose manuals and other technical tricks. If you are light and smooth you can probably get away with running some trails frames and riding light street or park with them. Hi-ten steel piping is basicaly a frame built out of water piping. heavy and weak. Chromoly is lighter and ALOT stonger. Anyone serious about getting into BMX should know to stay away from Hi-ten steel ANYTHING.
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Originally Posted by MadMan2k
Cassettes come with damn near all decent back wheels. Tmowery made a thread about that not too long ago.

Run brakeless, **** cables and gyros.

Don't worry about that, it's just small geometry differences.

Hi-ten sucks, 4130 is what good frames are made out of. The end.
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Cassettes are for smaller gearing and they are apparently stronger, but when and if they break you are paying twice the price of what you would for a new freewheel if you just had a flip-flop hub. It's your choice. Most people go with cassettes, but there is certainly nothing wrong with freewheels.

Keep your brakes.
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I've had many a problem with freewheels going wrong but they last from about 2 months - 2 years, depends which one you get and your luck. I'm a pretty unlucky guy though

At first i though this thread was called "ok a few NOBish questions"
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I can't add much to the answers, but in Classic & Vintage, hi-ten steel is commonly referred to as 'gaspipe'. It's heavier overall, and quite often it's seen in 'ladie's' bikes, because the women's bikes were just not made as well as the men's bikes. I'm stuck with hi-ten in most cases because there were not many vintage upper end road bikes made in my tiny size (I don't mean small, I mean 'tiny', as in 48cm or under). In a road bike application it's not necessarily all that bad (because road bikes aren't expected to do tricks), but it would not work very well in a BMX bike!

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My old bike had cromo main tubes and hi-ten rear stays and I snapped it twice.
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I'm going to snap my hi-ten rear triangle soon too. Get chromoly or it's no good.
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I'm going to snap my hi-ten rear triangle soon too.
Good luck with that when you can't even ride outdoors yet..
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Thanks, bud.
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Originally Posted by MadMan2k
Good luck with that when you can't even ride outdoors yet..
I would say you are correct my friend.

Sorry gunz.
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I'm getting there. Soon.
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I might have my new frame by then .
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Decided on what you're getting?
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i thoguht he was buliding it.
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Maybe someone will make me a frame I want by then.
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i want an endemic
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i want an endemic
Are you certain?

ENDEMIC: belonging or native to a particular people or country

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yup.

www.endemicbmx.com
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You know, I tried looking for endemic and bmx earlier, because I figured that was what you meant.

Google was not my friend today .

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If that frame came in 20.2/20.25 it would be money.
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If that frame came in 20.2/20.25 it would be money.
I would bet you could get it custom.
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Possibly. For a price.
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Originally Posted by eightdip
Decided on what you're getting?
Either a Superstar L.M.F or a Sputnic Satelight v.2.

I'm leaning towards the Sputnic though.
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