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Old 10-30-04, 04:49 PM
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Am i too old ? (is this bike any good)

Hi people. I have just bought my soon to be 10 year old son a Mongoose mccaan here in the UK. I have done some research and between us and a few phonecalls to some reputable bmx bike shops this is the bike we settled on.
Remember he is only 10 and is just starting bmx.

Thing is he's now getting me all messed up on it. (I,m 39 .. ) .... i mountainbike and kitesurf and will have a go at pretty much anything. Wouldnt mind giving it a go but have no idea on which bike.
Would the mongoose RAF be a good starting point? It got rave reveiws here in ride mag ?!!

Reckon id rather try vert on bmx than inlines ... (Had a go at this ... "Not too clever")

Bit late on the bike question as have already bought the bike ... just interested to hear your veiws.

What do you say ?
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I'm 43 and have tried BMX but I just couldn't handle it. I couldn't get any air at all let alone big air, I'm afraid I'm going to wreck and get injured and be on short-term disability. This is exactly what happened after a cyclocross accident so I guess I'm just being paranoid. But I can only speak for myself.
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Maybe you should bive it a try. Buy a decent bike but not to pricy. Like a bike that will not break under your weight but with which you can actually jump a bit and do some rool-outs and stuff. My dad does some cross-coutry type of biking so me and my brother brought him to an easy mountain bike course adn he rally urt himslef. But if you dont think that getting hurt is a problem or gettign pads is an options (if you do... they are pretty expensive). So back to the main idea. Go for a cheap bike with which you can ride a bit. Even though you wont to big stunts. And if you like it take a look into a better bike or changing stuff on it and pads. But until you are sure you really wanna do some BMX dont get a really expensive bike.
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That's one of the best bikes I think I have seen from Mongoose in a long, long time.

Extras that are nice: Good quality 3-piece cranks. Odyssey cassette hub (13 tooth). Chrome plated rear rim, black front.

Just an excellent mix of quality there. Not sure what the price is, but it is something that looks very good.
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I'd get something with better geometry for all around riding. The fuzz actually looks pretty hot from them. Not sure about price.
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Old 11-04-04, 12:14 PM
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https://www.bikesutra.com/rr_30_24_le_toy.html

https://www.bansheebikes.com/bike-scratch.html

I'm sorta hot on larger setup. DJ and urban. These bikes are set with a Der or not.

.243Racing has frames that have sliding canti bosses and rear drop adjustable to take either 24 or 26 inch wheels.
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Which makes it 4 or 6 inches larger than the forum you are currently in.
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Originally Posted by BMXTRIX
Which makes it 4 or 6 inches larger than the forum you are currently in.
Could be an option for a larger guy.
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Not when he's asking about BMX bikes it isn't.

edit: Unless he plans on getting a 24" cruiser, and, frankly, nearly no one rides those.
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O.K...I know +30 year old guys on LeToy, other Urban\DJ bikes,
few on BMX @ that age.

I think the poster should at least be informed of other options. The reason being he probably weighs more than the average kid, a couple jumps on a 'tensile steel' rear triangle and the bike going to noodle.
Are you recomending full Chromo frameworks? Considering the size of the poster in relation to BMX frames?

"Not when he's asking about BMX bikes it isn't." >I'll post what I want... you can go complain to the Mods.

Since you're defensive, close minded and just want to exault the performance of bmx, I'll leave you to it.
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Jeff: Don't be an ass

I'm 33, ride a 20" bike and can most definitely tell you that most BMX bikes are designed by guys between 5'10" tall and 6'2" tall. The top pros are in their mid 20's not 12 year old kids. So, the fact that you are clueless about BMX and posting off-forum replies to a forum specific question, then getting defensive about it is simply stupid.

Give me one of the two bikes you listed and I will give it back to you in two hours in muliple pieces by riding some street on it. Mountain bikes, trails bikes, and other bikes simply are not designed the way bmx bikes are to withstand forces from all directions and to handle severe bails that put you sideways across the bike. Simple as that.

Shocks are great for hitting rocks and smooth landings - but not when you are coming down from a 20 foot channel and need to carve directly into another lip and then do a quick nose pick to bar spin re-entry... Can't even spin the bars with those gears in the way and ooopppssss... Ka-pwing! Just broke the rear triangle on a smith grind! On a smith grind? 200 pound 20 year olds do those on $200.00 BMX bikes for weeks with almost no bike damage... It's what the bikes were designed for. Big riders to have fun on and tear things up.

I will continue to stay out of your forums and not talk down on product I know nothing about if you will do the same. But, if you are going to come here and talk about what you are clueless on, you will be schooled.
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hahahaha!!! omfg, you got told........
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Old 11-04-04, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by BMXTRIX
Jeff: Don't be an ass

I will continue to stay out of your forums and not talk down on product I know nothing about if you will do the same. But, if you are going to come here and talk about what you are clueless on, you will be schooled.
What's your problem Wise?

>I bother to read your forum 'cause I fix my younger friends bmx bikes..glad they aren't as nasty as you or I'd never lend them tools or help.

I haven't hard ridden a bmx since 1978, when I bailed of thee top of a 8 foot launch ramp and made several deep skull indentations, then I was unable to continue my 2 favorite sports skateboarding and bmx ( I don't recall us calling it back then..) untill 20 from Osgood-Schlatter disease, often happens to youth who over exert the knees for years.

Whatever- anyway, I hybridize small mtb with bmx parts, some ideas used with this style of riding still interests me, >I of course run solid forks<.

I somewhat doubt you'ld bust the Letoy that easily, yes it's more slack...the interest in big wheels is an offroad thing..biggers better. I often forget most people live in strictly urban enviroments, I live towards the North Shore, woodsy.

I didn't say bmx were poor choices, just posting some developements in bike styles, informations a tool. Wheel size isn't a big deal to me..low slung, tough bikes are.
I've found a local builder of tiny\ low freeride frame, and is Chromoly..Wahoo! oops..wrong forum.

I really think the economy bmx frames with partial Chromoly and rear triangle tensile steel are bunk. I've pulled components off for new frames. As to which to recommend, I don't know..could probably tell from the steel grade and frame joining?

Any way, you come off as rude=school yourself, get some manners.
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I forgot..
...my interest was that I'm the same age as 'Trouty'..I'm not sure you guys realize but old knees do not deal with stress as well.

The position of knee high in revolution sitting, or upright as an alter is hard. @ 39, if you've been hard on them, the knees like support. i do have friends\ see bikes that are urban\ vert\ dirt bikes that still have a lot of tight fun and can be ridden more 'normal'.

I realize they are not designed for air wheel spins..the wheels 24..BIG, probably cause a counter revolution from the rear like a helicopter?

But a bigger relaxed frame is the way I'll probably go..24 inch wheels. -Sorry, mtb'ers don't like the bmx parts >you'll hate the frame..oh, and wheels.

Why don't you guys find a HQ frame\parts this guy can rescue\ buy that can survive and he can give to his kid whenever.
$200 does't get the good bike =..including a retailers overhead.
200 lb rider + $125 bike + 2 weeks jumping = I'd think a busted bike.
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Actually, that's not entirely true. I ride with a 30+ year old security guard who works at Pixar (with bad knees mind you - he just got off a surgery) who rides a cheap Haro frame and was fine with everything on it, aside from the brakes, for over a year (and he continues to ride the frame).
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would the 2005 Haro F2 be decent for street? im saving my $$ to get one
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Originally Posted by Beerman
Actually, that's not entirely true. I ride with a 30+ year old security guard who works at Pixar (with bad knees mind you - he just got off a surgery) who rides a cheap Haro frame and was fine with everything on it, aside from the brakes, for over a year (and he continues to ride the frame).
I found things are changing and not for the better @ 40.
If I dj or dh my bike all day with the seat down, I'm toast for 2 days after. Painfull, and I am very leg muscled. I can do that kinda riding for say 2 hours at most.

I got rid of my bmx bikes today, I completed one and gave it to a group that provides for street kids.
The other -partially assembled and with the needed parts, went to a church organization that works with handicapped people (they supervise them, so it'll be assembled probably better than Wal-mart I hope.)

The kid down the street gets a box with some forks, sprockets, old mags and tires\ rims.
The Mongoose I completed was fun for a morning spin, I fell over a ledge sideways after hopping onto it.

So now I don't have any excuse to read your forum, no more of that type of bike...

....I counted 16 bikes in the house\ garage.
I need the space anyway, kids are going to have to ride bikes with deraillers, still have lots of those to work on.

Ride on, I will too -just on slightly larger wheels.
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Okay.
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bmxtrix? you gonna say anything?
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I'm not gonna go after Jeff - I already said my piece to him and Touty hasn't responded.

The bottom line is that the bike Touty asked about is 100% chromoly as are ALL upper end BMX bikes. Almost any BMX bike you spend $400.00 or more for is going to be 100% 4130 chromoly. BMX bikes have a proven track record of being far more durable than 24 inch+ bikes because of the compact wheel size prevents wheels from folding in critical instances. Plus the frame/fork doesn't require extra material in the fork/rear triangle which could lead to failure of the frame.

Should I point out that BMX bikes when put side-by-side to a mountain bike typically have bars at the same height and cranks in almost the same location and often use slightly longer cranks which are more friendly on the legs? The big difference is simply in the tire size, which is smaller and makes for quicker response in the bmx bike. A larger bike with NO suspension definitely isn't going to protect a riders 'knees'... That's what suspensions are for - to make things soft and cushy for the rider, if you don't have it, the knees take the same shock on a bike with 40 inch wheels as they do on a bike with 5 inch wheels. The smaller bike actually gives you more room for compressing your body and take the shock of landings throughout your entire body more easily.

This is all stuff that I have learned by dealing with BMX exclusively for over 18 years. This is all stuff that I have put to work when designing parts for some bike companies that have been put into production. This is the physics of bmx. A 24" wheeled bike is great, and there are BMX companies that put out 100% 4130 chromoly bikes at 24" that will do a bang up job for crusing around on. But, if you want to get serious about trying some stuff - street, dirt, vert, flatland, you aren't going to have the control you need on a 24" bike. They are to slow which is why no pro rides wheels larger than 20" in bmx freestyle. In racing, sure, there is a cruiser class - but they race each other. In bmx freestyle, there is no rule that specifically excludes wheels or bikes larger than 20" models. But, no almost no rider uses anything but 20" wheels, and no pros at all do.

I don't have issues with Jeff personally - but the information he has provided is off kilter to the facts of the bike that Trouty asked about and to bmx bikes in general. They were built to be ridden hard and to survive. Which I think the rider above pointed out better than anyone else could.
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im a begginer i can feeble smoothly..can some one give some tips on how to barspin out easily? thx greg
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jeez this jeff guy is a real ass
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Thanks for all your replies people, especially BMXTRIX

I think after more research that the Mongoose MCcann is more than adequate for my 10 yr old son.

"Boy" ! i sure wish i could of been kitted out like that when i was his age.

As far as bmx for me goes i am mainly interested in flatland and some dirt. Someone else mentioned the Mongoose Fuzzy which does look well upto the job.
I am only going with Mongoose as i have been advised that here in the UK they are spoken of very highly.

At 40 yrs old next year (maybe im having my mid-life crisis now) ? ... i think that trying bmx is an option but i do realize that im not going to be "Rippin" it up without messing myself up and breaking bones.
I need a bike on which to just go and ride and have some fun (Not become the next Dave Mirra at my age)
I like riding and thought bmx could be fun !!!

So at 40 yrs old and 80 kilos i am getting it that most 20" framed chromoly framed bmx will do the trick ?

The Fuzzy over here is about 350:00

Reckon the MCaann would probably do nicely but dont really want the same as my son so will have to find something for around the same price but different model/colour maybe.

Thanx again people
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Good thread. I 'm going on 33 and just now wanting to get into BMX. This thread has been inspiring
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wow, many "wise" (not old) people are starting to get into bmxing......
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