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Old 12-06-04, 08:10 PM
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oh, also beerman, i'm 16, and i shouldn't pick on little kids.
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Dye, I'm not trying to be a d1ck, but what I'm saying is that you are asking about all the parts that will build up a new bike. You have to narrow things down to what you realistically can afford in the near future. If you might get 300 bucks worth off stuff at Christmas, then maybe a new fork and some good 3-piece cranks. Or JUST a new frame... But, you have to decide what you want most and then do research on just that. In six months, half this information will be outdated and you will need to ask again about the next thing you want.

Your bike is pretty solid, but a good wheelset would be dope. It has a pretty good fork on it, but maybe some Odyssey racing forks would work for you and save some weight.

13 year olds are capable of clearing 20+ feet... Hoffman was doing 540s at about that age. But, everyone progresses and starts out differently. You would definitely be surprised on what some are doing though - and I was saying that you may want to focus more on learning to ride your bike and get better instead of simply improving it. I mean that in a good way... Just focus on one upgrade at a time - spend as much time riding as possible and have fun.
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ill spend up tp $2000
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Alright man - that's awesome.

You may want to start with deciding on a new frame and generate a parts list and go through stuff. Kind of go through and put together your own parts list - do some research shopping at www.danscomp.com and other mail orders to put your list together. Then work from there... Front brakes & rear brakes? Do you have a tire of preference. Really - put a whole list together and then let us all take a look at it to give our input.

The final decision is totally your and I will be happy to help you out - it is a LOT of money that you are looking to spend though, so going 'budget' on some stuff only really makes sense if you don't need something more.
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A 13-year old who's jumping only 3-4 feet doesn't need anything more than a three-or-four-hundred dollar bike.
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i can jump more than 5 feet its just arm pump and landing.I can bunny hop about 8-12 inches about a foot, its just that my bike weighs like 38 pounds cause i have these heavy non-flat intertubes in my wheels.I want a lite bike so i can bunny hop higher and etc..Ok this is my future set-up.
Macneil post/seat combo,Profile Racing w/Ti Spindle & Euro BB,
RNC Ti Lite sprocket,maybe answer carbon expert bars please list some good lite bars or fly racing 2-pc bars expert,some kind of bar ends thinking of bizhouse,thinking of tektro v-brakes cause they where awesome on my backtrail,and shimano dx-v lever brake lever,maybe redline race forks 20" or whats some better and lighter ones?,whats some good freewheels that are light and good,odie rogue grips or what are some good ones?,crupi high f/f or crupi low f/f or profile bmx cassette or what are the best,fastes and lightest hubs?,whats some good gripped and light pedals?,what are some really light and good rims?,whats some good spokes?that are light,profile hip stem what are light and good,and maybe maxxis tires,and what is a really light bmx frame made for dirt jumping and street try to keep it at 3lb-5lb-5.5lb, oh and a sts(or something like that)orgy gyro.Thanks for all the help guys!
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Originally Posted by Dye_Pb_Master
i can jump more than 5 feet its just arm pump and landing.I can bunny hop about 8-12 inches about a foot, its just that my bike weighs like 38 pounds cause i have these heavy non-flat intertubes in my wheels.I want a lite bike so i can bunny hop higher and etc..Ok this is my future set-up.
Macneil post/seat combo,Profile Racing w/Ti Spindle & Euro BB,
RNC Ti Lite sprocket,maybe answer carbon expert bars please list some good lite bars or fly racing 2-pc bars expert,some kind of bar ends thinking of bizhouse,thinking of tektro v-brakes cause they where awesome on my backtrail,and shimano dx-v lever brake lever,maybe redline race forks 20" or whats some better and lighter ones?,whats some good freewheels that are light and good,odie rogue grips or what are some good ones?,crupi high f/f or crupi low f/f or profile bmx cassette or what are the best,fastes and lightest hubs?,whats some good gripped and light pedals?,what are some really light and good rims?,whats some good spokes?that are light,profile hip stem what are light and good,and maybe maxxis tires,and what is a really light bmx frame made for dirt jumping and street try to keep it at 3lb-5lb-5.5lb, oh and a sts(or something like that)orgy gyro.Thanks for all the help guys!
**** you ask too many questions, use periods too, idiot
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Macneil post/seat combo
- That seat is tiny.

Profile Racing w/Ti Spindle & Euro BB
- Good choice.

RNC Ti Lite sprocket
- I'd take a Tree over that, but it should be fine if you're not sprocket grinding everything in sight.

answer carbon expert bars, fly racing 2-pc bars expert
- No. Try Solid Hella Lights, Odyssey Civilian or Civilian Lows, or pretty much any FBM or S&M bar (aside from the Gay/Cruiser Bars and the Race Bars).

bar ends
- Fit, or the new Kinks. Or an old pair of Peregrines, if you can find them; those are the best.

tektro v-brakes
- Your Backtrail has U-Brakes, not V-Brakes; pretty much every freestyle bike has U-Brakes. I'd recommend either Flys or Odyssey Evolvers.

shimano dx-v lever
- F*ck that. Dia-Compe Tech 77.

redline race forks 20"
- No, no, no. S&M Pitchforks, or Odyssey Dirt or Race forks.

odie rogue grips
- Odi Longnecks, Solid Death Grips, or Odyssey Rich Hirsch/Team grips.

crupi high f/f or crupi low f/f
- No.

profile bmx cassette
- Yes.

pedals
- They're not light, but you can't beat Odyssey Jim Cs.

rims
- Odyssey Hazard Light/Duralectra or 7KA, or Araya Super 7Xs if you can find them.

spokes
- Marwi and DT.

profile hip stem
- No. Just... no. Odyssey Elementary or S&M Redneck Light.

maxxis tires
- Decent enough.

frame
- You will never find a frame fror street, park, and dirt under 5 pounds that's going to last. *Also, since you're just a beginner, you have no need for a light frame, because you're just going to trash it because you're not smooth.* Look for something over six pounds, like a S&M PBR, FBM Nighttrain, or a Standard TRLS or STA.

gyro
- If you're not doing multiple barspins or tailwhips at a time or flatland, you have no need for a gyro.

*That comment pretty much applies to everything.*
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Old 12-08-04, 08:48 AM
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Beerman just gave you a ton of VERY good information. Some stuff to consider is that if you get a Euro BB with your cranks, you must have a frame with a Euro BB or you don't save any weight, and probably gain weight on your bike. You must have a frame with a Euro BB.

You can possibly get away with a sub 6 pound frame if you NEVER grind and aren't really riding much street/park at all. If all you do is jump, then you are probably okay on a sub 6 pound frame (5.5-6 pounds). But, if you grind or ride serious street at all - or want to, then you MUST get a more serious street specific frame. One that can deal with the stress you will put on the bike.

When I started riding I think I broke about 3-4 frames and I weighed 125 pounds and was about 5'8" tall. You should easily be in that size within just a year or two and for the money you are spending, you should have a bike that lasts.

The Standard STA-R-ox frame is a sub 6 pound frame that should be very good for street and dirt riding and is a good one to grow into.

When you look at a sub 5 pound frame, you are likely looking at aluminum. Aluminum is not used in street frames because it fails. Simple as that. There have been a couple of attempts at using it for street frames, but they have always failed on riders alarmingly fast. Also, a true street frame made of aluminum is still right around 5 pounds. So, you may save a pound, but you lose a year or two of riding over the life of the frame. If you are hard on frames, then it could break in under a year.
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what about redline freaky g-grips they look like good grips?
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From experience I really dont like redline. I bent my redline forks doing little gaps. And their other parts I have seen have been sub-par. So if you dont want to replace that part in 2 weeks or less get something better.
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Originally Posted by Dye_Pb_Master
what about redline freaky g-grips they look like good grips?
For grips... whatever floats your boat, I guess.
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Anything under 20 bucks - buy whatever the heck you want. It isn't terribly expensive to replace it later on if you don't like it. Grips, tires, tubes, brake cables... It is all stuff that wears out anyway.

Don't go with questionable companies on the big stuff - frame, fork, wheels, cranks, etc.
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Ok this is the set-up i want for now frame(not sure yet), macneil seat/and post combo, profile racing w/ti spindle and euro bb (but what does euro bb and ti spindle mean i know its smaller i think and lighter but whats the difference, please explain very good. i know certain frames have euro bb so i need a euro bb frame to use the spindle, but what frames have it and how do you tell i know bb means bottom bracket but whats that?), maybe rnc ti lite sprocket but this guy i know has a really small one its about 6 inches big and probally lite but i dont know what it is how big is the rnc ti lite sprocket? dia compe tech 77 lever, fly bikes u brake, oddysey civilians low, kink bar ends, odi rogue lock-on combo grips, profile bmx cassette or profile mini cassette (whats the difference the mini is the same price just smaller and lighter so if it is lighter why are they the same price, is one stronger explain and wich one should i get mini or bmx?), Oddysey elementary stem, oddysey pro dirt or oddysey pro race (is the pro dirt stronger than the race and im going to be jumping kinda high so is the race strong enough for me, wich should i get im leaning towards the pro race). Ok please reply with comments and what i should change, also please explain ti spindle and euro bb to me and how to check wich bikes have them. Thanks beerman and bmxtrix and everyone else that helped me.
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OK, I want you to do me a favor and rewrite that using sentences and paragraphs. I'm not even going to waste twenty minutes again trying to read that.
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Originally Posted by Dye_Pb_Master
Ok this is the set-up i want for now frame(not sure yet), macneil seat/and post combo, profile racing w/ti spindle and euro bb (but what does euro bb and ti spindle mean i know its smaller i think and lighter but whats the difference, please explain very good. i know certain frames have euro bb so i need a euro bb frame to use the spindle, but what frames have it and how do you tell i know bb means bottom bracket but whats that?), maybe rnc ti lite sprocket but this guy i know has a really small one its about 6 inches big and probally lite but i dont know what it is how big is the rnc ti lite sprocket? dia compe tech 77 lever, fly bikes u brake, oddysey civilians low, kink bar ends, odi rogue lock-on combo grips, profile bmx cassette or profile mini cassette (whats the difference the mini is the same price just smaller and lighter so if it is lighter why are they the same price, is one stronger explain and wich one should i get mini or bmx?), Oddysey elementary stem, oddysey pro dirt or oddysey pro race (is the pro dirt stronger than the race and im going to be jumping kinda high so is the race strong enough for me, wich should i get im leaning towards the pro race). Ok please reply with comments and what i should change, also please explain ti spindle and euro bb to me and how to check wich bikes have them. Thanks beerman and bmxtrix and everyone else that helped me.
maybe you should stick to Sk8 or P8nt... jk, but learn proper grammar stuff
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Ok this is the set-up I want for now, frame(not sure yet), Seat/Post: macneil seat/and post combo, Cranks: profile racing w/ti spindle and euro bb ( but what does euro bb and ti spindle mean I know its smaller I think and lighter but what’s the difference, please explain very good. I know certain frames have euro bb so I need a euro bb frame to use the spindle, but what frames have it and how do you tell I know bb means bottom bracket but what’s that?), Sprocket: maybe rnc ti lite sprocket ( but this guy I know has a really small one its about 6 inches big, and probably lite but I dont know what it is, how big is the rnc ti lite sprocket? ), Brake Lever: Dia compe tech 77 lever, Brakes: Fly bikes u-brakes, Bars: Odyssey Civilians low, Bar Ends: Kink bar ends, Grips:Odi-rogue lock-on combo grips, Hubs: Profile BMX cassette or Profile mini cassette (whats the difference the mini is the same price just smaller and lighter so if it is lighter why are they the same price, is one stronger explain and wich one should i get mini or bmx?), Stem: Oddysey elementary stem, Forks:Oddysey pro dirt or oddysey pro race (is the pro dirt stronger than the race and im going to be jumping kinda high so is the race strong enough for me, wich should i get im leaning towards the pro race). Ok thanks beerman and bmxtrix for the help.
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A Euro BB is a bottom bracket that threads into the framel it's not as strong as an American (or Spanish or Mid), but it works fine. A titanium spindle is a spindle that, obviously. is made out of titanium; it's not quite as strong, as a chromoly spindle.

You need to know how many teeth the cassette driver or cog has, and choose a sprocket with correct amount of teeth. 43/44-16, 42-15, 39-14, 36-13, 33-12, 30-11, 28-10, 25-9.

Lock-on grips are a waste of money. The bolts strip tooo easy, they don't last long because the rubber isn't very thick, and they cost twice as much as a regular grip.

You want the Profile SS or SS Mini with the 14mm axle. Also, you need to get a cog or driver with the amount of teeth corresponding to the size of your sprocket.

The Odyssey Pro Dirt are stronger, but the Pro Race are fine. If you break them, you can always warranty them and Odyssey will either ship you out a pair of Pro Race or Pro Dirt forks, at their discretion.

Also, like I said earlier: You're a beginner, and you have no real need for a bike of this cost. You're just going to break stuff because you're not smooth, and anyone who sees you is immediately going to think "poser".
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Can you please explain how to tell if it is euro bb, and how big is the rnc ti lite in inches, and can you explain the profile mini cassette hubs and profile bmx cassette hubs, why are they priced the same and if the minis are lighter is the bmx cassette stronger and wich one should i get, and are crupi lows good?
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You can tell that it's a Euro BB because it's threaded. Pretty much every frame out there has the option of having a Euro BB now.

The diameter of the RNC Ti Lite sprocket varies, depending on how many teeth it has.

It doesn't matter, because you need one with a 14mm axle, which is either the SS, SS Mini, or another brand.

F*ck Crupi.

edit: Also, you might want to do some actual research instead of just asking about this stuff; go to a local shop or something. Also, I have this strange feeling that you're just going through the Dan's catalog and listing the most expensive and/or lightest sh8t that you can find, which isn't going to get you anywhere. I've said this, what, three times now? You need stronger parts, not all of this super-lightweight stuff that's going to break in a week if you don't know how to maintain it and/or ride smoothly.
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just buy a complete bike and learn about parts and ****, ur going to get a expensive ass custom bike when u know nothing about the parts, you'll probably be done with riding within a year
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He has a Backtrail complete, according to his earlier posts; I told him that that's just fine for a beginner, but I guess that his parents are rich or something.
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Hey dye when u get the parts for Christmas and you put the bike together can u post a picture please
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**** you ask too many questions, use periods too, idiot
dont tell him to use periods if your not even gunna use them
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So if i got a Profile Mini SS Cassette hub with a 13t cog i would need a 36t sprocket to make it fit? Also is the profile euro bb and ti spindle called this BMX Euro Ti crankset http://www.staff-bmx.com/store/crank...TIcombo_n.html and also wich is the best euro bb http://www.staff-bmx.com/store/btmbrst1.html does it matter is one faster, smoother, ?. and how do you match the chain with the freewheel and everything else? whats the best chain? And whats a chain tensioner, does it make sure the chain dont come off and stays in put? And whats a headset?
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