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Old 10-17-17, 07:47 PM
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I walked out of Blade Runner 2049 after 20 Minutes

As someone who saw and enjoyed the concept, storyline and production design of the original in the theatre as a youth, I really wanted to see this long time in coming sequel in hoping that it would carry the torch faithfully. It was just released last Thursday and is being shown in a super theatre (with Dolby Atmos sound, state of the art projection, excellent seating etc).

I rarely go to the moviehouse so this was an exception. Beforehand, and purposefully blacking out any foreknowledge of the new film, something inside feared that the sequel will have been "Hollywoodized" so I made sure to clear with theatre management that a refund was claimable before the 45 minute mark in the event those fears were true. I only withstood 20 minutes of runtime before I was smiling at the cashier once again. I couldn't bear to have the impression of the original associated with this newer propaganda piece. I see recurring themes being pushed down peoples throats through Hollywood and I won't stand (or sit) for it. Several appeared in Bladerunner within that short time. Save yourself some time and $, stick with the original if you're a fan!
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As someone who saw and enjoyed the concept, storyline and production design of the original in the theatre as a youth, I really wanted to see this long time in coming sequel in hoping that it would carry the torch faithfully. It was just released last Thursday and is being shown in a super theatre (with Dolby Atmos sound, state of the art projection, excellent seating etc).

I rarely go to the moviehouse so this was an exception. Beforehand, and purposefully blacking out any foreknowledge of the new film, something inside feared that the sequel will have been "Hollywoodized" so I made sure to clear with theatre management that a refund was claimable before the 45 minute mark in the event those fears were true. I only withstood 20 minutes of runtime before I was smiling at the cashier once again. I couldn't bear to have the impression of the original associated with this newer propaganda piece. I see recurring themes being pushed down peoples throats through Hollywood and I won't stand (or sit) for it. Several appeared in Bladerunner within that short time. Save yourself some time and $, stick with the original if you're a fan!

I watched the whole film and was quite disappointed with it, but what are you referring to when you mention the recurring themes that you saw being pushed in even the first 20 minutes?
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I watched the whole film and was quite disappointed with it, but what are you referring to when you mention the recurring themes that you saw being pushed in even the first 20 minutes?
I am also curious what you saw that was so offensive. Note, I haven't seen the film yet; however, I am not bothered by spoilers.
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This sounds very much like someone who attended a football game with a plan to immediately leave. Happy the moviehouse was able to accommodate your stunt without cost to the rest of us.
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Sounds like "fake news" creeping into a new genre. Not being a faithful reboot of the old film makes me want to see it though.
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I saw the original back in the day at the behest of my girlfriend's brother, who said it was the best movie he'd ever seen. Neither my girlfriend or I liked it or even understood the point. I just remember it was very dark, literally and figuratively, and I didn't feel good when it was over. No plans to see the new one.
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This sounds very much like someone who attended a football game with a plan to immediately leave. Happy the moviehouse was able to accommodate your stunt without cost to the rest of us.
Hi, I can't really relate to the football analogy. The only football game I've ever seen was in 1991. We were late and arrived at halftime, friend had comp tickets.
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I am also curious what you saw that was so offensive. Note, I haven't seen the film yet; however, I am not bothered by spoilers.
The mind has no firewall so I'm always conscious of what I expose mine to. Like a diet for the mind, sort of. I'm sure everyone is aware of product placement in films. If it were limited to this it wouldn't be so bad. What is more serious are the ideologies or inevitable outcomes being sold in a great many films today. Predictive programming is a term to loosely describe what I'm talking about. Tom Hanks touched on it: "“I think that when the film industry can capture an idea and make it glamorous and gorgeous, so that the audience isn’t even aware that they’re embracing something they never would have embraced before, then, yes, the film as a social motor can inaugurate some kind of change.”

Another thing, rarely are sequels better than the original. I think the entertainment industry suffers from a case of "Supersize mentality"; if something is good, then 10 times as much next time must be ten times as good. Wrong.

A great sci-film I sat through recently was Andrei Tarkovskys "Stalker". Very Russian, slow moving - NO CGI or special effects, but what a concept and story about the desires of man and his longing for fulfilling dreams while looking across the fence that keeps him from supposedly greener grass on the other side. Just acting and camerawork carry the film.
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Another thing, rarely are sequels better than the original. I think the entertainment industry suffers from a case of "Supersize mentality"; if something is good, then 10 times as much next time must be ten times as good. Wrong.
Note that there are several versions of the original Blade Runner movie. The most significant difference between the original and director's cut is the removal of the Deckard's voiceover and a different ending. Though various film buffs argue that the voiceover removal was a plus, I disagree. In fact, for moviegoers who had not previously seen the original movie with the voiceover or had the same information revealed in some other way, the director's cut may not make any sense at all as to who is doing what to whom, and why are they doing it.

I like both endings, but prefer the happy ending of the original.
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Counterpoint: Loved the original, saw all the versions, liked the Final Cut best of all.

I liked 2049 well enough, and think of it as an admirable sequel that didn't take too many bold steps, but raised some interesting questions in its own right. Magnificent visuals and effects, excellent score, decent script and acting.

The original was set in a future which is basically about now -- geeks and nerds celebrated the incept dates of the replicants in the movie as they happened over the past couple of years. Things obviously have not gone as wrong, and technology has not gone as far as predicted in the original, from the 1980s. The new movie is a decent continuation of that future, but even more divorced from our current situation. I can see some of the points the OP is considering when talking about current politics being shoved down our throats, but I don't find it overbearing. It's fiction, after all. Heck, The Turner Diaries makes some assumptions and presents political views regarding a dystopian future...

Before I even saw the original movie, I read the novel on which it was originally based. I'm also a PKD fan, and while the original movie took liberties with the story on which it was based -- there were very obvious differences in both detail and larger plotlines -- the movie stayed true to the original thought behind the novel and very competently conveyed that. If I would find glaring fault with the new movie, it is that it did not expand enough on the mindf**k nature of the original in a novel enough way to make it truly great.
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The mind has no firewall so I'm always conscious of what I expose mine to. Like a diet for the mind, sort of. I'm sure everyone is aware of product placement in films. If it were limited to this it wouldn't be so bad. What is more serious are the ideologies or inevitable outcomes being sold in a great many films today. Predictive programming is a term to loosely describe what I'm talking about. Tom Hanks touched on it: "“I think that when the film industry can capture an idea and make it glamorous and gorgeous, so that the audience isn’t even aware that they’re embracing something they never would have embraced before, then, yes, the film as a social motor can inaugurate some kind of change.”

Another thing, rarely are sequels better than the original. I think the entertainment industry suffers from a case of "Supersize mentality"; if something is good, then 10 times as much next time must be ten times as good. Wrong.

A great sci-film I sat through recently was Andrei Tarkovskys "Stalker". Very Russian, slow moving - NO CGI or special effects, but what a concept and story about the desires of man and his longing for fulfilling dreams while looking across the fence that keeps him from supposedly greener grass on the other side. Just acting and camerawork carry the film.

So, about those first 20 minutes . . . .
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So, about those first 20 minutes . . . .
Hi Col, I think I'm going to keep those observations tucked between my two ears. I mentioned Predictive Programming and there are many websites that delve into it's planned role in movies, so that's a clue at least I hope.
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BR 2049, however, was long and ponderous. It meandered all over the place. The director showed a lack of discipline by not trimming some of the scenes and shortening the movie to a manageable length.

It had the potential to be a very good film, instead it was a very long film.

BTW, some sequels are great. Godfather 2 was better than Godfather 1. Godfather 3, however, sucked big time.

The Empire Strikes Back was better than SW-4.
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I had never heard the term "predictive programming" but given the fairly transparent point of posting this alleged incident, I thought it might be fun to Google. Here's one explanation https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Predictive_programming Short version, nutball conspiracy theorists use this in connection with everything from Sandy Hook to 911. More fake news, as mentioned in an earlier post. Take it to P&R
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I had never heard the term "predictive programming" but given the fairly transparent point of posting this alleged incident, I thought it might be fun to Google. Here's one explanation https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Predictive_programming Short version, nutball conspiracy theorists use this in connection with everything from Sandy Hook to 911. More fake news, as mentioned in an earlier post. Take it to P&R
Don't forget the fake moon landing on the grassy knoll piloted by a still alive Hitler!

You're the short version, Shel. You are clearly transparent in your beligerence. No sense in being bitter and irate over something you've never noticed. Take it up with Tom Hanks.
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Note that there are several versions of the original Blade Runner movie. The most significant difference between the original and director's cut is the removal of the Deckard's voiceover and a different ending. Though various film buffs argue that the voiceover removal was a plus, I disagree. In fact, for moviegoers who had not previously seen the original movie with the voiceover or had the same information revealed in some other way, the director's cut may not make any sense at all as to who is doing what to whom, and why are they doing it.

I like both endings, but prefer the happy ending of the original.
I have seen the directors's cut and the voiceover version as well. I like both versions, but I tend to favour the commentated as it reminds me of the old Film Noirs of yesteryear (which I'm a fan of).

I also saw Dune in the theatre when it first came out. Having been completely unfamiliar with the story, it certainly could have used some narration at the time. Apparently, that particular film was going to be made two decades earlier (see Jaworskys'(?) Dune) and was to have Mick jagger and Salvadore Dali as cast! The then technical ability didn't exist to realize it though.
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BR 2049, however, was long and ponderous. It meandered all over the place. The director showed a lack of discipline by not trimming some of the scenes and shortening the movie to a manageable length.

It had the potential to be a very good film, instead it was a very long film.

BTW, some sequels are great. Godfather 2 was better than Godfather 1. Godfather 3, however, sucked big time.

The Empire Strikes Back was better than SW-4.
Hmmm, so you're saying the thing could've used better editing? Some movies that are long you don't even notice because they are so captivating.

On Sequels; yes I'd say there are exceptions. I think Spiderman 2 (series w/Toby McGuire) had more to it than the first one. But geez did the third deserve a re-write. Haven't seen any of the new ones.
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The mind has no firewall so I'm always conscious of what I expose mine to. Like a diet for the mind, sort of. I'm sure everyone is aware of product placement in films. If it were limited to this it wouldn't be so bad. What is more serious are the ideologies or inevitable outcomes being sold in a great many films today. Predictive programming is a term to loosely describe what I'm talking about. Tom Hanks touched on it: "“I think that when the film industry can capture an idea and make it glamorous and gorgeous, so that the audience isn’t even aware that they’re embracing something they never would have embraced before, then, yes, the film as a social motor can inaugurate some kind of change.”

Another thing, rarely are sequels better than the original. I think the entertainment industry suffers from a case of "Supersize mentality"; if something is good, then 10 times as much next time must be ten times as good. Wrong.

A great sci-film I sat through recently was Andrei Tarkovskys "Stalker". Very Russian, slow moving - NO CGI or special effects, but what a concept and story about the desires of man and his longing for fulfilling dreams while looking across the fence that keeps him from supposedly greener grass on the other side. Just acting and camerawork carry the film.
Excellent point. I guessed this was your objection.

For years it's bothered me how many producers/directors have sold their souls -- and the minds of audiences -- to glorify the military/industrial complex. Among the worst offenders are Jerry Bruckheimer, Ridley Scott and Kathryn Bigelow. It's a relentless barrage of paranoia inducing propaganda glorifying war, government surveillance and militarized police.

They're skilled filmmakers but it's all pretty poison.
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The mind has no firewall so I'm always conscious of what I expose mine to. Like a diet for the mind, sort of. I'm sure everyone is aware of product placement in films. If it were limited to this it wouldn't be so bad. What is more serious are the ideologies or inevitable outcomes being sold in a great many films today. Predictive programming is a term to loosely describe what I'm talking about. Tom Hanks touched on it: "“I think that when the film industry can capture an idea and make it glamorous and gorgeous, so that the audience isn’t even aware that they’re embracing something they never would have embraced before, then, yes, the film as a social motor can inaugurate some kind of change.”

Another thing, rarely are sequels better than the original. I think the entertainment industry suffers from a case of "Supersize mentality"; if something is good, then 10 times as much next time must be ten times as good. Wrong.

A great sci-film I sat through recently was Andrei Tarkovskys "Stalker". Very Russian, slow moving - NO CGI or special effects, but what a concept and story about the desires of man and his longing for fulfilling dreams while looking across the fence that keeps him from supposedly greener grass on the other side. Just acting and camerawork carry the film.
I felt the same way you describe about the new Wonder Woman. The whole time this little side session is going to work on your subconscious. Boo.
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Note that there are several versions of the original Blade Runner movie. The most significant difference between the original and director's cut is the removal of the Deckard's voiceover and a different ending. Though various film buffs argue that the voiceover removal was a plus, I disagree. In fact, for moviegoers who had not previously seen the original movie with the voiceover or had the same information revealed in some other way, the director's cut may not make any sense at all as to who is doing what to whom, and why are they doing it.

I like both endings, but prefer the happy ending of the original.
Huh... we recently started to watch what was billed as the director's cut off our dvr, and there was some voiceover. I hadn't seen it in ages so couldn't remember if there was more in the theatrical release? Do you mean there was literally no voiceover in the director's cut? I was thinking that w/ language and violence and maybe nudity adjusted for basic cable we probably weren't getting the director's cut no matter what.

Didn't get to the ending both because a social engagement came up and because my wife hated it so much. I found that striking; there is lots of stuff she watches that owes basically all of its esthetic to BladeRunner (and our 12 yr old really liked the atmosphere). But she was annoyed that she saw nothing but atmosphere, that got through to her anyway. She is traveling this week, I am going to find time to watch an actual non-broadcast version while she's gone. Even if the main appeal is atmosphere, I am fine with that...
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What is more serious are the ideologies or inevitable outcomes being sold in a great many films today.
When you mention 'inevitable outcomes' are you just talking about telegraphing the ending, as essentially all TV whodunits do? You should really just spell out what you mean.
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The main difference I remember from the original version of Blade Runner and my copy of whatever is supposedly the director's cut is the addition of the unicorn symbolism -- which supposedly "proves" Deckard is a replicant -- and a different ending, along with the removal of the voiceover.

I like both versions although I never objected to the voiceover. I'm a longtime fan of film noir so the voiceover shtick is familiar and acceptable.

But I find Ridley Scott's insistence that Deckard is a replicant to be annoying. Ambiguity is better. And PKD made it clear that Deckard was never intended to be a replicant.

Also, Scott did a disservice to PKD's theme by reducing Rachael to a passive mannequin and implied sex doll. In the novel Rachael wasn't much different from the movie depictions of Pris and Zhora. Rachael had psychopathic traits. Deckard was shallow, not very bright or attractive, and was obsessed with money and status, which included owning replicant animals, with aspirations of owning a real animal. Rachael killed Deckard's pet. Any resolution or sense of emotional growth or conscience was implied, never overtly stated.

But that's no different from most movie adaptations of PKD stories. Only Richard Linklater's version of A Scanner Darkly got it right. Amazon's version of Man in the High Tower got it dismally wrong. I don't even care to watch the second season.
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Hmmm, so you're saying the thing could've used better editing? Some movies that are long you don't even notice because they are so captivating.

On Sequels; yes I'd say there are exceptions. I think Spiderman 2 (series w/Toby McGuire) had more to it than the first one. But geez did the third deserve a re-write. Haven't seen any of the new ones.
There is editing and there is editing. Some editing, as you noted, enhances the movie.

Other editing is simply a way to trim the film’s fat. There were too many scenes in BR 2049 that ran for way too long. It shows a lack of discipline on the part of the director. Not every frame filmed has to make its way to the big screen.
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Apparently, that particular film was going to be made two decades earlier (see Jaworskys'(?) Dune) and was to have Mick jagger and Salvadore Dali as cast! The then technical ability didn't exist to realize it though.
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Huh... we recently started to watch what was billed as the director's cut off our dvr, and there was some voiceover. I hadn't seen it in ages so couldn't remember if there was more in the theatrical release? Do you mean there was literally no voiceover in the director's cut? I was thinking that w/ language and violence and maybe nudity adjusted for basic cable we probably weren't getting the director's cut no matter what.

Didn't get to the ending both because a social engagement came up and because my wife hated it so much. I found that striking; there is lots of stuff she watches that owes basically all of its esthetic to BladeRunner (and our 12 yr old really liked the atmosphere). But she was annoyed that she saw nothing but atmosphere, that got through to her anyway. She is traveling this week, I am going to find time to watch an actual non-broadcast version while she's gone. Even if the main appeal is atmosphere, I am fine with that...
There's way too many different versions around. I believe the one you want to watch is the Final Cut (2007).
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