Jeff54

1st off I'm thrilled. Because my local C/L just found what I didn't expect, a whole campy group set.

And so, I've dated the bike at mid 1988 range serial # 337xxx. Alum stays and fork, clear carbon with turquoise decal set. Both made in 88 and 89, so year I.D.-ed # 337 is about mid 1988, but not 89 at vintage Trek.

21.5 sized frame

It's missing the seat rail clamp for the seat post and I haven't a clue what, nor where to find that part so any help pointing my nose to it would help. Which seat post it is, and how to identify the missing parts? otherwise, it's a complete set, yet, the type of peddles are not in the photos of the sets in 1988. Rather they're SGR-1 C-Record Clipless Pedals without, what appears to be in online photos, plastic blocks that fit and lock in them.

Campy bronze; 'Victory Strada' front wheel and hub.

Mavic "Reflex' alloy color, rear rim with campy hub which is Probably replacement for the original rear 'Victory Strada'

Campy stem and bars.

The frame is dirty otherwise decals have a few scratches, not unsightly though good full print as is the whole frame, nice.

Was this an option through Trek, or just the frame and everything else; full campy, on 2300 Composite, in 1988 added?

Anyways, I'm blown away, I see used campy parts from time to time but, always well out of my budget, for my purpose. I never thought I own 1 campy part much less a whole group, component and wheelset!

Any value estimates?


I've just read info about the 2300 which isn't too satisfactory. Should I junk the frame and use components to build a better bike? Albeit, I think that, if this was a complete Trek issue, this here is 'like' 'grail' stuff in first year issue, eh?

oddjob2

You should be able to view the specs for the model at Vintage-trek.com. I have a Campy equipped Carbon 2200 that is box stock.

Jeff54

Yeah I did that when identifying the bike and year but, the campy group in catalogs for 88 are not the same, peddles, looks like it has matrix rims, no stem and handle bars, Doesn't have delta brakes, few others things. The parts on mine do date in the right time frame and it's complete verses partial. Moreover, I presume, a deluxe set.


Maybe original was only frame and owner bought the complete set from Campy? Yet, I expect, if Trek had campy kits, like anybody else, there's always options for the different levels too.

Jeff54

No Value estimates?

RoadGuy

Probably not originally from Trek with the Campy Group. The frame was bought bare and populated by the Owner with the Campy Group, or bought as a built bike from a Trek Dealer with a Shimano Group and changed over to Campy at a later date.

The only Trek Composite Frame that came from Trek with a Campy Group was the 2200, and I believe that was only one model year in the early 1990s.

I don't know where you read that the Trek 2300 Composite frames are not good, or what the qualifications of the Writer were. But there is nothing wrong with the Trek Composite frames and the 2300 in particular. Like anything made, there were a few that had problems with the glued joints at the beginning of production. Trek solved the problem by opening up the clearance between the lugs and the tubes so more glue/epoxy stayed in the joints.

You bike is really nothing special, and the value of the bike can be calculated as the current value of the used Group in the current condition, plus $100-$200 for the frame, depending on the condition. I'd guess $400-$500 tops.

StarBiker

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$400-500 sounds good to me.

I am puzzled unless it was really cheap why someone would buy the bike, and then read something about the bike devaluing it.

And be careful, the young bike shop mechanics are peddling this crap about the frames pulling apart, and they will crack, and none of them have any experience with these bikes.

My two LBS are often full of crap!

oddjob2

If you want a parted out value, then take the bike outdoors in daylight and take some decent photos, including closeups of each component and any markings on them. I am not a Campy fan biy, but do know enough to say that if the bike has Deltas, A set of those brakes may be worth more than the above $400-$500 estimates.

curbtender

Clamp is in the lug, looks like it has a bolt. Is the seat post stuck?

PaintItCeleste

The difference between, what I believe to be, the realistic number of $400-500 mentioned above, and getting quite a bit more than that, depends heavily on the condition of the components and which generation your Campagnolo Delta Brakes are. I'm no expert in the Delta brakes, but I have seen them go for between $200-500 (sometimes more) depending on the aforementioned factors. So you'll want to be certain to figure that out. The rest of the group, again depending on condition, would likely net $200+. And as others mentioned, the frame is nice but nothing super valuable. Let's say $100-200. The seller that doesn't provide ample images, do their homework, or put in the elbow grease to get things very presentable would probably have little trouble netting $400-500 for this stuff. But a little effort and provided the components are in great shape and the right generation, you could wind up with a fair bit more.

Though it sounds like you're more interested in hanging onto everything, just curious what kind of deal you stumbled upon. To which, I say, keep it. Ride it. It's shiny!

Jeff54

Hum, I didn't get any e-mail replies, but reset for instant this time.

Yeah, I haven't any plans on selling the parts, but did read around here that the early carbon wasn't so nice and this one would be the it in that category. 1st year. Yet I don't see any problems with the frame.. heck it's hardly scratched, I've seen and have much worse. 100-200 is more than I spected though, prob fits in the 150 range as on one side the top bars 'Composite' has scratches more than any other decal. Oddly enough that side is where most scratches on decals are.. But, if 100 then, heck no problems for me. If I do get a mind to part them out.


60 bucks and well, it's the campy set up, I practically raced to get it otherwise I would have passed. Been berry, berry lucky this year, picked up a 82 720 for $55, and 84 500 for $20 albeit it feels junk when riding it. and 85 460 for $35. All the while I'v only been watching for a pre-1980, which, I was too late and 100 miles away that was $100.


Otherwise, I was thinking of using the campy, maybe, on the 720. Frankly I'm no expert on this stuff, Campy looks and sounds cool that's all. Well not to leave out, that spit ain't cheep! otherwise, I haven't a clue why campy is so dang spencive, because it's prettier? [grin] I rode long and hard early 70's then again for a few year late 70's. So, I'm far, far away from what's hot and not. Yet before me goes and uses this stuff verses parting it out as Trek has turned into my main squeeze. The 460, is one fast butt 19 pound lightweight, and the 720, it's light and strong too, berry sweet riding power, as made factory. . I can't race or ride to far as well for a disability, plus, down here in SW Florida, unlike when a kid with no fear, crazy butt traffic scares the holy ka-jeepers out of my aged brain.


Anyways, here's some shots of the components. I.E. which Delta brakes are the rare guys? And or which anything might be better to persevere as resale for somebody who wants it more, or? How do I tell the difference? And at campy dot com, it seems there are three types of sets, which would these be? I think all these parts date the same year as bike but not sure. I donno what rear sprocket set this is or if better, worse, cheap, etc cept I have this ratio on 500 except the 500 is 6 cog 12 speed while this one is 7, 14 speed. and think it's why I don't like it, not large enough high gear.


And I'm guessing but, I saw a delta brake set that has more writing on it, figure that's prob the rare one?


These pedals, what I'm suppose to do, get shoes that lock into them? That's not going to happen if so, [grin]


The seat post, missing the clamp, I can't find the clamp anywhere nor for that matter, figure out which seat post it is.


Black Trek badge, not listed or shown at vintage trek dot com, ..


Rims: Mavic is rear with campy hub , campy front rim and hub And I don't know what size the Mavic rim is, just that it's tubular and the Campy has old Continental Sprinter 27 x 22 tubular.. Got a feeling that, that's not a good idea for just riding around on.

PaintItCeleste

I imagine those Campagnolo SGR pedals have offset any weight savings from having a CF frame...haha. Very cool find though!

exxongraftek

Where to begin? Let's start by saying that with early C-Record parts, condition is everything regarding value.
If you are not good at fine finish work find someone to help you take these apart and reassemble them.
Now lets go one at a time through the list above.
Which are the rare ones? The prototypes, I've been told.
How to tell them apart? Go here.
Your writing is likely faded, the first efforts at printing on metal by Campy were not up to the quality most of us expected.
The SGR pedals do work best with a cleat on the shoe.
You need a first-generation C-Record clamp assembly, you can find someone selling a trashed post of any size and use the clamp if it's not borked.
Only ride old-school tubulars if you do not have to be where you are going on time. Flats slow you down.

Jeff54

"Flats slow you down", LOL, yeah duhh I been busy reading up just now, and as far as flats go, cinchers is looking pretty dang good on this bike. and as this is my first tubular, what's "Old school". other than just 700c tubular and not exactly cheep too?


Thanks for the link, I see I'm probably going to have to open them up to be sure but, found a video about em too, how to disassemble . In the mean time, accordingly, the keeper on top, not the center rubber but engraved circular grooves. , so, that's 1st generation, According to that site, (thank goodness for bing translate gadget on right click) Made especially for professional racers? Most other parts I been searching ebay, can't match that front derailleur as the others are not flat faced on guide bars (For lack of better word) but ridged at front but most else are Croce D'Aune? Condition wise, I haven't see any scratches, yet. just a little dirty on bottoms, but no too bad, not showing in front. Heck there's not many scratches on the whole bike. Top post which is the most usual scratched area, has just 2 on them.


But if 1st Gen delta's, what's them worth all clean and shiny like? For the potential value, I'm not to sure anymore that I'd want to ride em, potentially mess up some good racing brakes 'joy riding'.


Decals on this are unusual, yet I don't know the 2300 but, each letter is individually placed You can feel it. , that can not be an easy task even if you do it all day at factory. They look more like print than vinyl too. Except, one letter is higher than where it should be, way high, ands off kilter too, like the worker was high [grin] Or it got wet and shifted? I never heard or seen a decal shift like it is. Yet, maybe a sweat rag sat too long?


I guess for the rear sprocket set, 7 cogs, the rear derailleur is Croce D'Aune 6/7/8 speed? 1987-1991 C- Record.


seat post is also Croce D'Aune 1st gen? that's a tough one at epay, can't find it.


Yeah the logo on brakes must be faded, they are there but tough to photograph but more gray than, what should be black? And, needs real care if cleaning so they don't disappear?


CGR pedals, that clamp stuff aint gonna fly with me. Think I'd have to be an half wit to clamp myself in during my, almost daily, few mile exercise tour. maybe somebody will trade me out of em [grin] And what the heck, they feel heavy, what sup wit dat, I thought we were going light weight, right along with those delta's, . I aint getting light on both those ideas. can't test ride until I find a cheep tubular for back rim. Must be something super nice about the deltas eh?