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Old 02-15-18, 02:11 PM   #1
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Blue Flandria bike on Craigslist is it worth buying?

I found a Blue Flandria bike on Craigslist is it worth buying for $100?

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Does it fit?

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edit: Is it rideable? Can you do basic work on it? Check that stem and seatpost are not seized in the frame tubes.
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I found a Blue Flandria bike on Craigslist is it worth buying for $100?

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It probably is. Is it mechanically sound? Bike makers makers lots of different models do you have any pics? What city is the bike in?
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It's only a frame set. I can probably talk the guy down from $100. I would Have to build it up from the ground with tires all the way to the pedals to the handlebars breaks everything. The Overall condition of the frame looks to be in mint condition. The color is candy blue.

The site won't let me post pictures till after 10 posts.

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It's only a frame set. I can probably talk the guy down from $100. I would Have to build it up from the ground with tires all the way to the pedals to the handlebars breaks everything. The Overall condition of the frame looks to be in mint condition. The color is candy blue.

The site won't let me post pictures till after 10 posts.
https://austin.craigslist.org/bop/d/...479714902.html

This is likely a quality frame with the half chromed rear triangle, the half chromed front fork, and forged drop outs with eyelets.

It can get expensive fast to build up a frame but we can talk you through the process and save you some dough.

Parts may be a bit tougher to source as the bike is Belgian and I assume that the threading is metric but I could be wrong. The bike looks to have a headset but it may not have a compete Bottom bracket.

I'd buy this frame in a heartbeat at $50 and I might just bite at $100 if the bike is made from quality tubing and the frame is sound.

There seems to be something wonky going on with what looks to be a rear brake braze on but I can't be sure from the pic.

Does the bike fit you? Is the bike worth the price or somewhat less? If it fits and if you are willing to do your own work and you want an interesting classic bike, yes.

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If that's a number hanger off the brake bridge it might indicate a pro-quality frame.

There's some chance it has French BB and HS... that'll be a challenge.

Looks like a fun project and something to be proud of.
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If that's a number hanger off the brake bridge it might indicate a pro-quality frame.

There's some chance it has French BB and HS... that'll be a challenge.

Looks like a fun project and something to be proud of.
+ 1. This looks to be a quality frame in nice cosmetic shape. Flandrias don't pop up often.
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Looks nice, not sure about pro quality though, with a kickstand plate? Still rad for $100
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Looks nice, not sure about pro quality though, with a kickstand plate?
Exactly. Pretty pedestrian frame, honestly.

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There's a very similar frameset in green on Boston CL (link) with better pics, for $50.
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That thing mounted on the seat says looks more like. Light or reflector bracket.
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And most importantly.. does it fit you?
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The forum had a frame identical to this, right down to the colour and transfers, discussed last fall.

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The forum had a frame identical to this, right down to the colour and transfers, discussed last fall.

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Do you have any idea what the frame material might be? My guess is that the main triangle at least should be pretty good (reynolds 531 DB?) given the drop outs and chrome treatment. Info on Flandria bikes seems pretty thin.
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Do you have any idea what the frame material might be? My guess is that the main triangle at least should be pretty good (reynolds 531 DB?) given the drop outs and chrome treatment. Info on Flandria bikes seems pretty thin.
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IIRC the discussion never progressed that far. certainly the saddle pillar diameter would be a strong indication. the frame is sending mixed signals since it employs the same lugs, crown, esge chainstay bridge, paint and transfers as the base model flandria road machines of the same era. the ends set is the big difference; hence it is natural to speculate as to the tubeset...

have had about five base model flandrias from this era pass through me workshop so am familiar with them but the one in the thread i linked to was a new-to-me beastie.

note that the frameset under discussion is wearing the proprietary flandria fixed cup with the distinctive domed centre. this would suggest it did not come from the factory with a quality chainset. it may have worn a cottered set or a low end sakae ringyo cotterles set such as the example i linked to above.

for comparison i would invite readers to take a look at this bike currently on offer. it is a private labelled item, done for a belgian retailer, flandria with the familiar lugset, crown, etc. but fitted with zeus gran sport ends and built of quality tubing. it looks to date from the mid-to-late '60's (many of its fittings are later).



https://www.ebay.com/itm/1960s-old-r...19.m1438.l2649

a shout from @non-fixie &/or @Munny might be of help with this discussion...

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From the Boston CL ad I posted (and noted the similarities), the seat post is 25.8mm.

If its a metric seat tube at 28mm OD, that works out to (28.0 - 25.8 + 0.2)/2 = 1.0mm wall, so possibly straight-gauge quality tubing. That's just a wild guess, though.
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There's a very similar frameset in green on Boston CL (link) with better pics, for $50.
I'm on the wrong coast! That would be rideable for me.
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I would buy it iff: 1) it's exactly what I was looking for, and 2) it was my size.

Otherwise, $100 isn't a great value for just this frame. Not if I was just looking for a good value on a used bike. Not when there are so many complete bikes for sale in that range. If the top two conditions above were met, I'd look for a cheap donor part bike the strip the goodies from.
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Thanks for the great info and opinions. I have some thinking to do.
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This is likely a quality frame with the half chromed rear triangle, the half chromed front fork, and forged drop outs with eyelets.

It can get expensive fast to build up a frame but we can talk you through the process and save you some dough.

Parts may be a bit tougher to source as the bike is Belgian and I assume that the threading is metric but I could be wrong. The bike looks to have a headset but it may not have a compete Bottom bracket.

I'd buy this frame in a heartbeat at $50 and I might just bite at $100 if the bike is made from quality tubing and the frame is sound.

There seems to be something wonky going on with what looks to be a rear brake braze on but I can't be sure from the pic.

Does the bike fit you? Is the bike worth the price or somewhat less? If it fits and if you are willing to do your own work and you want an interesting classic bike, yes.

What do you mean when you say the "Parts may be a bit tougher to source as the bike is Belgian and I assume that the threading is metric but I could be wrong"
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What do you mean when you say the "Parts may be a bit tougher to source as the bike is Belgian and I assume that the threading is metric but I could be wrong"
I'm guessing that the parts are french threaded and french dimensions since this is a Belgian bike but I am not certain. The French--bless them--believe in the metric system; the rest of the world more or less went with British threading on various parts. The bike has simplex dropouts which strongly suggests French threading (maybe Swiss but French is more common).
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Here is a crib sheet with the key differences: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/velos.html

It's not a huge deal. The frame has a headset. I'm not sure if the bottom bracket is complete or not. If not, knock the price down. French threaded BBs are available. The seatpost is no big deal. The bike likely takes a 22.0 stem but there are ways of making a 22.2 stem work. The bike has simplex drop outs so you'll have to work around that when picking out a derailleur.

http://www.redclovercomponents.com/blog/1

There's a deep knowledge base in C&V in working on French threaded/dimension bikes and we can talk you through it. I built up a peugeot PR 10 last summer which is likely a similar quality to this frame. I paid $60 for it with a headset and a bottom bracket.

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...good-ugly.html

I'm guessing that the main triangle is likely pretty good tubing given all the chrome and the nice forged drop outs. I'd pay $50-$60 for this frame in a heartbeat if it were my size. This is a cool old frame and the paint job is in very nice shape for its age.

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these machines are not metric/french dimension. they are BSC/ISO dimension save for the fact that they exhibit 70mm shells. member 3alarmer has encountered this with his Rapidex badged Flandria which he has posted to the Belgian bike thread.

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these machines are not metric/french dimension. they are BSC/ISO dimension save for the fact that they exhibit 70mm shells. member 3alarmer has encountered this with his Rapidex badged Flandria which he has posted to the Belgian bike thread.

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Wow, English threaded with a 70mm shell and a simplex drop out. This bike is part Italian (70 mm BB, I know that there are other 70mm english threaded BBs out there as well so it must have been a thing back in the day), part French (simplex drop outs), and part British (threading). What were those Belgian designers thinking of?

This is likely what happens if you design a bike after drinking a wee too much of that excellent Belgian beer.
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