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Old 05-16-15, 01:49 PM
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Help with Mystery Bike: Peugeot?

I stumbled on this today at a yard sale. Its been re-painted. Here is the info on components:
Concor Supercorsa seat, Zeus Seatpost, Huret front derailuer, Suntour Honor RD, Simplex dropouts (?), Stronglight cranks with Peugeot logo, La technique Avion handlebars, unknown headset.
No serial numbers are visible. No other identification on the frame.
Any ideas? Peugeot?
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Old 05-16-15, 04:44 PM
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simplex drops and peugeot crank normally point to peugeot. did you check the bb shell for a serial? what is the pedal threading? what's the rear frame spacing? what kind of headset? someone in c&v (not appraisals) could probably narrow it with a little more info and images of the seat cluster with those brazed pump pegs.
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Old 05-17-15, 02:51 PM
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seat stay caps might suggest a St. Etienne. have never seen a Peugeot with this cap.
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Old 05-17-15, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
seat stay caps might suggest a St. Etienne. have never seen a Peugeot with this cap.
Thanks for response, I went through Peogeut catalogues and could not find a match. I will continue to dig.
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Old 05-17-15, 11:37 PM
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I don't think I've seen a Peugeot, of a vintage similar to the components, with pump pegs.
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Old 05-18-15, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by jyl View Post
I don't think I've seen a Peugeot, of a vintage similar to the components, with pump pegs.
Disregard the components, OP has a Frankenbike. What we need is more close up pics of the frame. Please look for any serial numbers and take close ups of the rear dropouts and lugs. Any headbadge mounting holes in the head tube?

Additional thought: You placed a (?) after the Simplex dropouts. Are you not certain of make? Be sure to examine them for any markings.

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Old 05-18-15, 11:23 AM
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I don't think this bike is a Peugeot either the crank does not match the frame it is from the 80's and the frame looks to be early 70's. The frame looks to be mid level french based on the simplex dropouts and chrome fork. My first guess would be early 70's Motobecane but it is hard to tell much sense this is a nicer frame that someone repainted and built up with a mix of nicer vintage components likely whatever they had in there parts bin.
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Old 05-18-15, 02:18 PM
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MB never employed this ss cap. machine not from one of the "big five" Frankish producers.
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Originally Posted by retyred View Post
Additional thought: You placed a (?) after the Simplex dropouts. Are you not certain of make? Be sure to examine them for any markings.
The Zeus seatpost and the question mark after "Simplex dropouts" might be clues that it's a Zeus. Or not. Any Zeus experts out there?
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Old 05-18-15, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
MB never employed this ss cap. machine not from one of the "big five" Frankish producers.
What is "ss cap"? Thanks
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Old 05-19-15, 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by vintagerando View Post
What is "ss cap"? Thanks
Seat stay cap
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Old 05-19-15, 06:21 AM
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Im glad that the Miyata company was soo generous whith information about my bike. If they didn telled that my bike costed around 5,500 euro at the former yen course at 1990 I would hag falled for those thiefs or people that always try to make a buck on lies. Here i only had contact whith the administrator and a few also honest people here and i read thier treads and i realy had grat help from that. But another site whith a forom sniffed up my lost of knolege and tryed to come over my bike for less than only one part would cost. But a gentleman and collector payed 25.000 euro for my bike. The ******** i talked to wanted to give me 1200-1500 USD for it. Thieves who try to make money on fooling other. A brand new never rolled a meter bike "ofcause 100% original" was selled to distrubiters and bicycle salesmans only, for a price 1990 of 5,500 Euro. Not even one bike is sold ofissily on internet. Yesterday and a week back i search for a simular bike like mine. And there where few facts about it. Now today i have all facts about my former bike. There are alot of pricedumping ads who suddenly telled that the bike wasent worth nore than the shippingcost to UK hahah. They would have ruined my biz if i didnt had the contact whith the company. So nice people and they even called my SAN😋 450.000 yen plus VAT at the time. It was sold for. Has it in that scenario going cheeper true 25 years then? They were egar to inform me avout the bordic lower price version blablabla and they wantet to tell me that a 100% brand new bike limited edition 25 years old was worth around or betvine 2-500 Euro or 1200 USD it was depending on what extraequipment that was on? They had already seen the photo of it. They also putted out several adds and one add on E-Bay to dump the price on my bike. Dishonest and low. But this forum is serius and wery nice. But i had to tell this if someone have a qestion in the future of simular character. Contact the company and ask. That saved me alot of money😋 Best regard Robbike
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Originally Posted by Robbike View Post
Im glad that the Miyata company was soo generous whith information about my bike. If they didn telled that my bike costed around 5,500 euro at the former yen course at 1990 I would hag falled for those thiefs or people that always try to make a buck on lies. Here i only had contact whith the administrator and a few also honest people here and i read thier treads and i realy had grat help from that. But another site whith a forom sniffed up my lost of knolege and tryed to come over my bike for less than only one part would cost. But a gentleman and collector payed 25.000 euro for my bike. The ******** i talked to wanted to give me 1200-1500 USD for it. Thieves who try to make money on fooling other. A brand new never rolled a meter bike "ofcause 100% original" was selled to distrubiters and bicycle salesmans only, for a price 1990 of 5,500 Euro. Not even one bike is sold ofissily on internet. Yesterday and a week back i search for a simular bike like mine. And there where few facts about it. Now today i have all facts about my former bike. There are alot of pricedumping ads who suddenly telled that the bike wasent worth nore than the shippingcost to UK hahah. They would have ruined my biz if i didnt had the contact whith the company. So nice people and they even called my SAN 450.000 yen plus VAT at the time. It was sold for. Has it in that scenario going cheeper true 25 years then? They were egar to inform me avout the bordic lower price version blablabla and they wantet to tell me that a 100% brand new bike limited edition 25 years old was worth around or betvine 2-500 Euro or 1200 USD it was depending on what extraequipment that was on? They had already seen the photo of it. They also putted out several adds and one add on E-Bay to dump the price on my bike. Dishonest and low. But this forum is serius and wery nice. But i had to tell this if someone have a qestion in the future of simular character. Contact the company and ask. That saved me alot of money Best regard Robbike



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Old 05-19-15, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Trakhak View Post
The Zeus seatpost and the question mark after "Simplex dropouts" might be clues that it's a Zeus. Or not. Any Zeus experts out there?
zeus never employed this ss cap either.
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wrt frame identification -

some of the frame details which might contribute to an identification are in shadow or are blocked from view in the photos by fittings.

forum has had several recent St. Etienne threads. suggest you pull them up by entering the name in the forum search window and see how the frame details of them compare with your machine. expect you will discover some correspondences...
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
wrt frame identification -

some of the frame details which might contribute to an identification are in shadow or are blocked from view in the photos by fittings.

forum has had several recent St. Etienne threads. suggest you pull them up by entering the name in the forum search window and see how the frame details of them compare with your machine. expect you will discover some correspondences...
I was hoping to have some more pics of this 'mystery bike' before I posted my guess as to frame builder. I probably wouldn't bother but juvela is still involved and I really like his input. So here goes: Raphael Geminiani (most likely) or Urago.
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Originally Posted by retyred View Post
I was hoping to have some more pics of this 'mystery bike' before I posted my guess as to frame builder. I probably wouldn't bother but juvela is still involved and I really like his input. So here goes: Raphael Geminiani (most likely) or Urago.
these are very good suggestions.

iirc Geminiani is a case of private labeling; no Geminiani bicycle factory as such. have seen it discussed elsewhere in the forum, but cannot recall actual mfr.

have had both come through my workshop.

one thing no one has discussed as yet is whether or not fork is original to frame.

do fork tips match dropouts?
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Yes, fork tips and drop-outs are both Simplex.
Another forum poster suggested a Jeunet. I am going to try and match photos from web to a Jeunet. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by vintagerando View Post
Yes, fork tips and drop-outs are both Simplex.
Another forum poster suggested a Jeunet. I am going to try and match photos from web to a Jeunet. Thanks.
that is a good suggestion you received. believe i have seen this combination of frame ends, lugs, crown and pump pegs on Jeunet bikes. look forward to reading what you find.

iirc forum has more than one Jeunet expert who may be able to enlighten us all...

edit -

keep forgetting to ask: is there a no-slide pib on the underside of the dt?

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It does seem a close match to a Jeunet same fork as is on one of my Jeunets. But most Jeunets had chromed rear dropouts stays even on the cheaper models and strait capped seat stays.
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post

keep forgetting to ask: is there a no-slide pib on the underside of the dt?
Well....whats a "no slide pib"? I know you are referring the down-tube, but a "pib"?
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Originally Posted by vintagerando View Post
Well....whats a "no slide pib"? I know you are referring the down-tube, but a "pib"?
frames sometimes have a little button of sorts brazed on to the downtube in order to keep the shift levers from slipping downward. it also means shift lever clamp does not need to be so tight as to damage tube. the underside of the tube is not shown in the photos, hence the question. presence or absence of pib and its shape are one more tiny clue toward possible identification.

"no-slide pib" is British jargon. dunno if there be a yank equivalent.
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While you're looking for a pib check for head badge mounting holes in the head tube. Both Geminiani and Urago had metal headbadges fastened with rivets in the 50's and 60's.
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I found this picture of a Geminiani. Note the seat stay style and the pump peg. The "horseshoe" shaped portion of the pump peg has been broken off on the OP's bike.
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more good detective work retyred.

so we now know she wore an ad hoc ex-works.

the seat stay cap on the Geminiani in the photo appears to be of the "willow leaf" type and lacks the recess in its center seen on OP's steed.

in looking at pictures nr. sept et huit i realised that controls are too low for there to be a no-slide pib. one more stupid question from me.

a matter not as yet covered is serial number. it's nature and placement could also be a clue moving toward an identification. have you discovered one vintagerando?

wrt possible ralphieness: owned an early sixties quality example and see no correspondences to present machine. albeit a sample size of one means precious little...
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