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Old 05-21-15, 08:04 AM
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Is this a real Cinelli?

I'm suspicious of this Cinelli, I know they are faked often. Anyone know if this is real? If not, what is it?

Cinelli Italian steel Vintage frameset w/ some Campy parts-55cm
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Old 05-21-15, 08:13 AM
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no expert, but if faked it is faked well with 3 point lugs, campy droputs, etc. I would say real deal but no idea on value., sorry meant 3 hole lug.

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Old 05-21-15, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by bennie222 View Post
I'm suspicious of this Cinelli, I know they are faked often. Anyone know if this is real? If not, what is it?

Cinelli Italian steel Vintage frameset w/ some Campy parts-55cm
Lugs, seat cluster and bottom bracket all appear correct but the paint is so hideously thick it hides the details (especially on the seat cluster) and could hide rust or other damage.

There is a pretty good chance it is a repainted/rebadged Windsor out of Mexico. Look for a serial number on the seat cluster (if you can see it through the thick paint).

Cinelli never (to my knowledge) put their serial numbers there.

If it's real, price is not too out of line since he says he's keeping the crank and pedals, but you should try to work a deal where he throws in at least the crank.
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Old 05-21-15, 08:36 AM
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The Cinelli Only blog did a comparison a few years ago, maybe it will help. That thick paint may be powdercoat, which is pretty hard to remove.

Cinelli Only: Distinguishing a Cinelli from a Windsor, a Photographic Comparison
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The fork crown has no stamps that I can see, and I can't find any other Cinelli bottom brackets with those hole patterns.
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Could be a leggerissimo bb, there is an example on cinelli blog somewhere, but they look slightly different.



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The fork crown has no stamps that I can see, and I can't find any other Cinelli bottom brackets with those hole patterns.
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Old 05-21-15, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by dailycommute View Post
Could be a leggerissimo bb, there is an example on cinelli blog somewhere, but they look slightly different.
Very different drilling.
The seat lug / seat stay region is suspect. The vertical dropouts are very suspect.
I would reference a Raysport.
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yeah, def not the leggerissimo, but canno find any bb like that, guess it could be custom drilled. Crap picture of bb but looks like 4 large holes, 4 small but not a set pattern. mystery for sure, that repaint was definitely heavy coverage. Again no expert but raysport super cosa bb were different, no?

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Old 05-21-15, 10:21 AM
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I'm not sure but considering the awfull paint and the mismatched wrong decals and the fact that the components don't really go with the frame the frame is late 80's based on the vertical dropouts and the components are older. I would suggest you pass for the price you whould be able to find a project frame that doesn't have issues.
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Whether it's a Cinelli or not that's WAY too much money for such a badly repainted bike. If it's powder-coated... *puke*

I might spend $50 on it. $500 insane. Only parts included are the headset, FD, and shifters.
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Considering the parts it's still worth investigating...and $50 wouldn't get you the crankset.
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Originally Posted by zukahn1 View Post
...the frame is late 80's based on the vertical dropouts and the components are older.
It also has a braze-on cable guide on top of the bottom bracket. This would indicate late 70's to me but the vertical dropouts would be later. Very odd combination.
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Originally Posted by Kactus View Post
It also has a braze-on cable guide on top of the bottom bracket. This would indicate late 70's to me but the vertical dropouts would be later. Very odd combination.
Work was probably done on it...drop outs changed, braze ons added...who knows.
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Originally Posted by jet sanchEz View Post
The Cinelli Only blog did a comparison a few years ago, maybe it will help. That thick paint may be powdercoat, which is pretty hard to remove.

Cinelli Only: Distinguishing a Cinelli from a Windsor, a Photographic Comparison
thanks for this outstanding resource!

although not mentioned at the Cinelli Only site Pinzani also made some Super Corsa replicas. not asserting that machine under discussion is one.
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Originally Posted by exxongraftek View Post
There is a pretty good chance it is a repainted/rebadged Windsor out of Mexico.
windsors used the pointed lugs, fastback seat cluster and columbus tubing, but did not use the severely sloping fork crown as shown in these photos.

also, windsor/columbus bikes have 27.2mm i.d. seat tubes.

i love my windsor, btw.

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Originally Posted by eschlwc View Post
windsors used the pointed lugs, fastback seat cluster and columbus tubing, but did not use the severely sloping fork crown as shown in these photos.

also, windsor/columbus bikes have 27.2mm i.d. seat tubes.

i love my windsor, btw.
Back in the day, I was a victim of the old "Barn Find Cinelli !!!" scam on the Bay - by someone who knew enough to trade out the fork.
The only giveaway was the serial number on the seat cluster. I never figured it out in time to get a refund or file a case - just sold it as a Windsor "fool your friends" bike - and lost hundreds of $ on it.
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There are other differences as well...but you won't be the last to fall prey.

I'm going to put Windsor stickers on this one:

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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
I'm going to put Windsor stickers on this one...
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Not a Cinelli Super Corsa. The Seatstay attachment is shot into the seat tube not brazed to the side of the lug with the special Cinelli pinch bolt. The bike has a straight through integrated pinch bolt instead. Check the 3rd photo in the ad sequence. This looks to be a nicely made custom frame with a ghastly paint/powder coat job.
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It does not look like a Cinelli, or like a Windsor, or like a Raysport.

Probably American or British, small builder, circa mid-1970s. Ask about BB shell width and threading. If it is BSC, that eliminates both Cinelli and Windsor. personally, I'd value the frame at zero (based on those crappy photos.) and hope to be slightly surprised if it were better than expected.
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Originally Posted by Kactus View Post
It also has a braze-on cable guide on top of the bottom bracket. This would indicate late 70's to me but the vertical dropouts would be later. Very odd combination.
The Brits. loved verts. They were TT-bike crazy. They used them in the 1970s extensively. This has been repainted (probably multiple times) so braze-ons don't mean much as they could have been added on multiple occasions.
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Originally Posted by FastJake View Post
Whether it's a Cinelli or not that's WAY too much money for such a badly repainted bike. If it's powder-coated... *puke*

I might spend $50 on it. $500 insane. Only parts included are the headset, FD, and shifters.
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