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Old 05-26-15, 09:07 PM
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Help me value these vintage bikes? Raleigh and Trek

Myself and a friend of mine are thinking about purchasing these two vintage bikes, both being sold by the same guy.

The first (and the one I am interested in for myself) is the forest green Raleigh Super Course, which I'm guessing is a 73' or a '74. There is some light rust and wear, but it seems essentially in good shape. The drive train looks like a Suntour. I should point out the gold detailing around the Capella lugs was done by the owner.

The blue Trek (I''m guessing late 70s, or early 80s?) is also, despite some wear and light rust, in pretty good shape. The tires are shot and there is glue from the rimless tires all over the rim, especially on the rear wheel. Drive train looks to be a Suntour. The chainring has this eccentric device that for the life of me I cannot figure out what it was supposed to do. Any help on what it does and if it is broken or not would really help.

I'm interested in assessing the condition of the bicycles are in now, what kind of repairs might be necessary, the relative collector's value of the Raleigh and the Trek, and a reasonable price for each of them.

Thanks very much for the help!
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Old 05-26-15, 09:25 PM
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It is hard to tell from your view, but the Trek appears to be made with mostly Campy, and a bit nicer components.

I just don't consider the old Raleighs to be an extremely valuable bike, so I'd put maybe $200 on the Raleigh and $400 on the Trek. However, a lot of the value of the bike is just the buyer and seller coming together to a reasonable price agreement. What is it worth to you?

I like riding my bikes, rather than thinking of collectors value, but the Trek is in a bit better shape than the Raleigh. You could repaint the Raleigh, but then you would loose the "original" aspect of the bike, and it is easy to spend a lot on paint.
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what is going on with this crank?



why no drive side pics of the trek? the first photo of the rd is the raleigh. but the trek has a 531 decal on the fork -- a very good sign.

the raleigh has a cottered crank and no derailleur hanger. that's a pass for me.

these raleighs can't sell in seattle for $150.

i don't understand people that want to sell a bike, but can't even take the bike off the ceiling for decent pics.

based on the substandard info, $2-300 for the trek (if it fits) and a pass on the raleigh. the trek may be worth twice that if fully overhauled with new consumables.
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The Raleigh is a nice bike, for what it is. The Super Course has 531 straight gauge three tubes and something else for stays and forks. The one in the pic seems to be a pretty small frame probably measure to be about 50 to 52 cm, depending on how you measure it. We have a similar Raleigh from 74 in about the same size and it fits me fine -- I'm 5'6". I think Raleigh called that frame size 20 1/2.

My guess is that it didn't come with the Suntour stuff. The Super Course in the early 70s had, as far as I know, either Simplex or Huret. It may be that somebody replaced the Simplex plastic derailleurs with Suntour. That's not so bad, in my opinion.

Because of the steel cottered crank and likely Simplex derailleurs, my guess is 72 or 73.

So, pluses are it's a decent 531 frame and they are good riders. The original seat may have been a B17N or other Brooks -- if intact and serviceable, that's nice. Nice lugs. Aluminum rims, if original, but galvanized spokes.

Negatives: cottered crank(and maybe Raleigh 26tpi BB), derailleur claw (though this doesn't hurt performance, as far as I know), not real light, inexpensive pedals, stem, bars. Probably Raleigh 26tpi headset. Weinmann center pulls -- very common for the time and they can be made to work. Front is 610 which works much better than the rear which I think is 750, or so. 27" rims and probably Shrader valves, but you can get aluminum bushings.

A lot depends on condition, but it looks to me like that Raleigh will clean up real nice and make a good rider. I'd think $100, or so, would be a good deal, $150 or much more, depending on condition of the paint -- deterioration of the top paint coat, rust through the paint, rust on the frame chrome, etc, I'd say you're stretching.

The Raleigh, if you're interested, inspect the workmanship very carefully -- the Raleighs of the early 70s were not immune to some really bad workmanship with the brazing, etc.

Our 74 came from Raleigh with gold lined lugs. Not as nice lugs as the green subject, but the gold lining looked to be applied with about the same level of expertise.

So, that's my opinion of the Raleigh. I like the Super Course bikes and the Super Course MK II. I think they're great riders. They're not great bikes and they're not rare, and they're not very valuable, but almost every body who has one, including me, thinks they're fine old road bikes that someone shouldn't be ashamed of. With not too much effort, assuming it's not crapped out, and this one doesn't appear to be, they can be turned into pretty spiffy old bikes if your ambitions for upgrades are modest.

Longer axles for those Normandy hubs are readily available and will alow you to go 6 or 7 speed. with 7-speed, the small cog wants to interfere with the chainstay, but you can coaz the derailleur claw further back and get it to fit and perform fine. 7 or 8 speed chain required.
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The device on the crankset is a Houdaille Powercam intended to overcome the dead spot in the pedaling cycle. The Trek is the better of the two bikes but Super Courses are nice riders. Frame sizing and fit are the most important things so purchase accordingly.
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Trek looks to be a 1983, possibly 700 series.
https://www.vintage-trek.com/images/t...churePart2.pdf


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As stated above, about 52cm Raleigh, for a rider no taller than 5'6". The Trek looks bigger, 54cm, for a rider up to 5'8".

Both need comprehensive overhauls due to age, basically a strip and rebuild of the bike frame, cleaning out the old grease, replacing bearings, then new cables, cable housing, tires, maybe tubes, bar tape, probably brake hoods, and possibly brake pads. Figure $75-$100 for these components and $150 minimum shop labor if you ask a bike shop to do the work. Add for the tubulars on the Trek at lease $70-$100 in cost.

As such, I'd value the FMV of the bikes as follows, as-is 1st number, overhauled 2nd number:

Super Course: $100, $250 +/-10%
Trek: $125-$140, $275 +/-10% (can't see the components, tubular rims hold down value)
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Originally Posted by oddjob2 View Post

Both need comprehensive overhauls due to age, basically a strip and rebuild of the bike frame, cleaning out the old grease, replacing bearings, then new cables, cable housing, tires, maybe tubes, bar tape, probably brake hoods, and possibly brake pads. Figure $75-$100 for these components and $150 minimum shop labor if you ask a bike shop to do the work. Add for the tubulars on the Trek at lease $70-$100 in cost.
Or, pump up the tires, oil the chain, and ride them.
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Originally Posted by big chainring View Post
Or, pump up the tires, oil the chain, and ride them.
And destroy all the bearings in short order. And have the 30 year old tubulars on the Trek either blow out or roll off the rims. Great advice
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Originally Posted by oddjob2 View Post
As stated above, about 52cm Raleigh, for a rider no taller than 5'6". The Trek looks bigger, 54cm, for a rider up to 5'8".

Both need comprehensive overhauls due to age, basically a strip and rebuild of the bike frame, cleaning out the old grease, replacing bearings, then new cables, cable housing, tires, maybe tubes, bar tape, probably brake hoods, and possibly brake pads. Figure $75-$100 for these components and $150 minimum shop labor if you ask a bike shop to do the work. Add for the tubulars on the Trek at least $70-$100 in cost.

As such, I'd value the FMV of the bikes as follows, as-is 1st number, overhauled 2nd number:

Super Course: $100, $250 +/-10%
Trek: $125-$140, $275 +/-10% (can't see the components, tubular rims hold down value)
One thing to note regarding the Houdaille Powercam is that it has a similar "feel" to using elliptical chainrings such as Biopace, but the Powercam "feel" is much more pronounced.

Mine feels like I am riding a stairclimber machine instead of a bicycle. And, if it is out of adjustment, there are few if any mechanics that will be able to adjust it correctly.

So in addition to the cost oddjob2 cites, you may end up adding the cost of a crankset and bottom bracket axle (the Powercam axle is long) if you don't like the stairclimber feeling.


On the plus side, the Trek is full 531 and appears to have a Cinelli 1/Record stem and a rear Suntour Cyclone changer. The pedals appear to be Suntour Superbe.

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As is, I would put the Trek value higher. However, getting it road ready will take a lot of work and money. Its more of a part out candidate due to the tubulars and the odd crankset.
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Originally Posted by FastJake View Post
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Or, pump up the tires, oil the chain, and ride them.
And destroy all the bearings in short order. And have the 30 year old tubulars on the Trek either blow out or roll off the rims. Great advice
Ok. Replace the tubulars, add some twine and then shellac. Some really ridiculous opinions being tossed about. The bikes in question look well cared for to me. A little tlc, and very rideable.
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To more accurately assess value on you need to nail down the model. Take the serial from the bottom bracket and run it on the Vintage Trek site:

Vintage Trek Bicycle Frame Serial Numbers, bike

Trying to ID via brochure pics can help but sometimes is confusing due to variances of components leaving the factory.
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As is, I would put the Trek value higher. However, getting it road ready will take a lot of work and money. Its more of a part out candidate due to the tubulars and the odd crankset.

I agree, I think this is a $200 bike even as is. It's a full 531 frame of a desirable vintage for Trek, with quality parts. It needs TLC but it's a great bike.
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Originally Posted by OldsCOOL View Post
To more accurately assess value on you need to nail down the model. Take the serial from the bottom bracket and run it on the Vintage Trek site:

Vintage Trek Bicycle Frame Serial Numbers, bike

Trying to ID via brochure pics can help but sometimes is confusing due to variances of components leaving the factory.

It's a 1983 700 or 760, not sure which.
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Originally Posted by big chainring View Post
Ok. Replace the tubulars, add some twine and then shellac. Some really ridiculous opinions being tossed about. The bikes in question look well cared for to me. A little tlc, and very rideable.
Which opinions are really ridiculous? Do you think these bikes are worth a lot more than others do?
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Originally Posted by lostarchitect View Post
It's a 1983 700 or 760, not sure which.
Not a 760. The Tange "trident" is missing from the fork crown (which the 760/770/170 shared).

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Looks like a 1983 trek760, nice bike I would grab at 200 for sure. should be superbe group.

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Looks like a 1983 trek760, nice bike I would grab at 200 for sure. should be superbe group.
Definately a nice Trek. I still question it being a 760 due to the more relaxed geo which is evident in the seat tube/rear wheel clearance. Also, what's up with the rear derailleur being a "claw" type?
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Definately a nice Trek. I still question it being a 760 due to the more relaxed geo which is evident in the seat tube/rear wheel clearance. Also, what's up with the rear derailleur being a "claw" type?
That photo is from the Raleigh.

Yeah, I think it's probably a 700.
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Originally Posted by lostarchitect View Post
That photo is from the Raleigh.

Yeah, I think it's probably a 700.
Pfffft. Thanx.
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Originally Posted by OldsCOOL View Post
Also, what's up with the rear derailleur being a "claw" type?
The claw RD is on the Raleigh, not the Trek. The Raleigh is quite a bit older and also lower-end than the Trek. Cottered cranks and claw RDs were more common back then.
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The Trek being a 700 and in refurbed condition would go 300$!in our area.
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The claw RD is on the Raleigh, not the Trek. The Raleigh is quite a bit older and also lower-end than the Trek. Cottered cranks and claw RDs were more common back then.
Yup, I've already been set straight.
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Not that it matters but lighter blue +superbe pedals + tubular indicate 760 vs 700. buy
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