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Old 07-09-15, 01:28 AM
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Worthwhile chrome frame?

Supposedly from the mid '70's or early '80's this local frame looks to be decent quality - anybody familiar with the style of lugs? Also, it takes a 25.4 mm seat post so perhaps mid quality tubing at best, still it looks nice enough. The chain stays are 45 cm long so more towards the touring end. I was thinking of building it up with hammered fenders etc. and always wanted a chrome frame. Supposedly stamped dropouts but I need to look at it first. Could get it for under 200 - any thoughts?


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Old 07-09-15, 03:43 AM
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An all chrome plated vintage Italian road bicycle frame for $200.00 or less. Not the worst deal in the world, but a bit on the pricey side, considering that the bicycle is, most likely, an entry level frame set. But do not let that comment deter you...

Some of the nicest riding bicycles to come my way have been entry level steeds. This old Torpado, for example, is not a high end bicycle, but it offers a nice ride quality and it screams vintage loud and clear. Yup, I would not hesitate to build up a bike like that. And, of course, I have already done so...



All that opinion stated (my opinion), the OP's bike is, probably, not a Torpado. Perhaps it is a Chiorda, but that is only a guess.
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Old 07-09-15, 05:07 AM
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I love the look of chrome......I'd buy it!
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Old 07-09-15, 05:40 AM
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Yup, if ya got $200, buy it. My mom once told me while attending an auction " wavering always ends in regret"
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Old 07-09-15, 12:16 PM
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I appreciate the help on this and I am strongly considering it, even if I barely have the room! So we can safely say that the seat post clamp was a feature of some Italian frames? There is a serial number stamped into the bottom bracket, 21176 and I believe the frame size is also lightly stamped into the seat tube below the seat lug. The pointed seat stay caps must give some hint - I have not seen that feature on many bikes.
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I'll be the naysayer here. I wouldn't spend $200 on an unknown frame with stamped drops, ugly seatstay cluster, and seatpost size that says "hi-ten." Yeah, it's kind of pretty, but that's the only thing it has going for it. If it was less than $100 I would consider it.
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Originally Posted by lostarchitect View Post
I'll be the naysayer here. I wouldn't spend $200 on an unknown frame with stamped drops, ugly seatstay cluster, and seatpost size that says "hi-ten." Yeah, it's kind of pretty, but that's the only thing it has going for it. If it was less than $100 I would consider it.
Agreed. This is a low end frame that happens to be chrome plated. Gas pipe or straight gauge hi-ten at best. To me that doesn't turn a $40 frame into a $200 frame. You could get something legitimately nice for that kind of money.

Don't get me wrong, there are some low end frames I love dearly. My 1972 Fuji S10 for example. But I paid $5 for it...
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Old 07-09-15, 01:30 PM
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Those look like Nervex lugs, perhaps the Nervex Legere 45/159.

But, I agree... I'd be reluctant to buy an unidentified unbranded frame for $200... perhaps on the order of $100? If it s what you really want.

It does appear to have a deraileur hanger... so it isn't total junk, and comes with several misc parts.

The seat post clamp looks odd... perhaps making one think the frame is newer than one might otherwise expect.
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It does appear to have a deraileur hanger... so it isn't total junk, and comes with several misc parts.
I don't see a derailer hanger. Those look like plain stamped dropouts to me, no hanger.
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Originally Posted by FastJake View Post
I don't see a derailer hanger. Those look like plain stamped dropouts to me, no hanger.

Yeah, no hanger. Even with the lugs, I would not spend more than $100 on it, and $100 is pushing it. I would have to really, really like it to spend $100 on it.

I just bought a french frame with Nervex lugs and a Stronglight crankset for a lot less than that...
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Thanks again for all of the comments - the images are all I could use and do not show to much but the dropout does have an integrated hanger and I will have to look at it first, I owe myself that much. also, he is open to offers and I figure the brakes and other parts plus the Dura ace crank set make it worth something but we shall see. Sad part is that bikes that might sell for less in another market tend to get decent prices here. West Coast phenomenon I guess. It looks to be assembled with decent care and I am pretty sure that seat post clamp is a modern add on and the original was nicer with a natural metal finish. I will report on what I end up doing.
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Double post.
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The crank alone will bring at least $50 on the Bay, so keep that in the back of your mind when negotiating for the frame.
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