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Does this miyata look real?

Old 07-16-15, 04:47 AM
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Does this miyata look real?

Hello All, new member here. I want to buy this bike but I'm not sure how to tell if its a real miyata. Are the lugs supposed to be gold like that? Thanks.



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Old 07-16-15, 05:04 AM
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Not real. Drop outs look to be stamped, and the ends of the seat stays are lower range. I don't recall a spline frame using cheap drop outs and seat stay ends like that. Head "lugs" are wrong, too. To the best of my recollection gold lugs only came on the 100 year anniversary bikes with carbon tubes. Not sure what the bike is, but the gold lugs don't belong on it if it is a Miyata.
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Old 07-16-15, 05:40 AM
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Those lugs had to be a DIY project. Poor masking and paint grade doesn't match original metallic sheen. I think it is a Miyata, just don't have model ID. Late 1980's:

Miyata Bicycle Catalogs: Miyata Catalog 1989

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Old 07-16-15, 05:49 AM
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This looks like a "real" miyata but the oddjobber is right, the lugs were painted by someone. The rear drop out looks to be forged, not stamped, from where I'm sitting.

Edit: I love the autocorrect feature on this site, . I agree with @oddjob2, not oddjobber whoever the heck that is.

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Old 07-16-15, 06:18 AM
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Not sure what it is. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall any Miyata road bikes ever having chromed stays or forks.
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Old 07-16-15, 06:20 AM
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Definitely real. Hack paint-job.
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Originally Posted by bear_a_bug View Post
Not sure what it is. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall any Miyata road bikes ever having chromed stays or forks.
Looks to be a 1989 Miyata 312 in Dark Platinum / Black (page 15 of the link in oddjob2's link). Decals also match.



I don't think it's chromed, I think it's silver spray paint. Maybe they thought it'd be classy and added it to their sweet gold lug painting.
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Old 07-16-15, 11:39 AM
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Having messed around with "chrome" spraypaint and gold metallic paint, it's refreshing to see someone out there has done an even worse job of it than I
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I don't know that many people are commonly trying to make forgeries of Miyatas. They are great bikes, IMHO, but I think a clever scammer would get better returns with 'Colnago' or 'Schwinn Paramount' decals.
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Old 07-16-15, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by bear_a_bug View Post
Not sure what it is. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall any Miyata road bikes ever having chromed stays or forks.
The only Miyata I've seen with chromed ends is my 1991 Team track bike. As others have pointed out, it might be painted.
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How about a serial number?
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Another vote for real but hack paint job. I've seen many Miyata's with those transfers/decals -- late 80s early 90s.
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The 85 pro had a full chrome fork and DS chainstay, but this is certainly not one of those. Still could be a nice frame, though the diy paint is not too good.
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I will ask him for a serial #. He wants 150 for it. Is it worth it?
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Some Miyata's were much better than others. The best were their touring models equipped with cantilever brakes. This one looks like an entry or maybe mid level bike. Looks like a replacement crank on it. Has some pretty bad tires too. It's a big bike for a tall rider. I'd try offering about $100 for it. Don't know if I would be willing to go any higher than that.
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that paint will come right off with a bit of acetone: my recent purchase had some "go faster" stripes and embellishments on it- a bit of rubbing and it comes right off and does not hurt the facory paint beneath. so as to say, don't let the bad paint job throw you off if you like the ride.
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Originally Posted by bear_a_bug View Post
Not sure what it is. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall any Miyata road bikes ever having chromed stays or forks.
Pre 1982 both chromed forks and stays were common, on the higher end Koga Miyatas at least.

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He wants 150 for it. Is it worth it?
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Originally Posted by ijsbrand View Post
Pre 1982 both chromed forks and stays were common, on the higher end Koga Miyatas at least.
The first Miyata I ever saw was a $10 Goodwill boom bike, orange with chrome fork tips and stays, Suntour Honor stuff.
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