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Holdsworth Equipe -- Age and Worth ?? Prugnut ??

Old 07-16-15, 10:45 AM
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Holdsworth Equipe -- Age and Worth ?? Prugnut ??

Rougher than anything else I've found lately, but it was free, so no complaints.
A neighbour is cleaning out his basement and this had to go.
The tires are glued on, and shot, so no riding.

Gnutti crank arms
Simplex spider, T.D.C. bottom bracket
Fiamme rims on Airlite (sp?) hubs
Lyotard pedals
Brooks saddle
Weinmann brake levers & callipers
Campagnolo gear levers and derailleurs

Frame label on seat tube says "Lugs-muffen-PRUGNUT Raccords - Enlaces - Conguinzioni" .... whatever that means








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I'm thinking mid 60's. Prugnat was the lug manufacturer. I can't tell what of the components are original; the chrome cable guide at the BB is obviously not original, which means the front derailleur is not original.
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what letter can be seen on the false acorns of the wedge bolts? an h or something else?

rear mech a velox/valentino. original front mech may have been a valentino. shift levers unlikely original as well as front mech mentioned by rhm.

weinmann cable anchor only produced one or two years afaik. yields a date of ~1968-69.

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I'm thinking mid 60's. Prugnat was the lug manufacturer. I can't tell what of the components are original; the chrome cable guide at the BB is obviously not original, which means the front derailleur is not original.

The acorn nuts have a "C: on them, unless it is a G for Gnutti.

There is only one brazed cable guide on the bottom bracket lug. One guide for two cables ???

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The acorn nuts have a "C: on them, unless it is a G for Gnutti.

There is only one brazed cable guide on the bottom bracket lug. One guide for two cables ???

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always possible that frame was constructed for single plateau gearing.

alternately, the absence of a stop or guide for a front mech cable could have been done so user would have the choice of a bare or covered cable model front mech.

the c on the acorn is an indication that wedgebolts may not be original to bicycle.
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The acorn nuts have a "C: on them, unless it is a G for Gnutti.

There is only one brazed cable guide on the bottom bracket lug. One guide for two cables ???

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The C on the nuts might imply the wheels are from a Carlton.

Most early front derailleurs had a cable stop built in, and typically there was a corresponding cable stop brazed to the left side of the down tube near the BB. Are you sure yours doesn't have that? If not, it was made as a 5-speed, which was not uncommon. Note that the catalog gives prices for both a five speed as well as a ten speed Equippe.

See: Holdsworth Bicycles

"The Equipe appears in the 1969 Catalogue. It has plain gauge Reynolds tubing, Prugnat lugs and 105cm wheelbase. It was available in orange with blue panels, blue with orange panels or silver with white panels in 1972, although the brochures imply team colours only. "'
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thanks for this most excellent information rhm!

wrt "...the C on the nuts..." was asking Binky about the wedgebolts. they, of course, could be be from a Carlton product as well. slightly odd that machine has T.D. Cross cottered bb paired with Italian arms/chainwheels. no shortage of British cottered chainsets. tends to make one suspect a case of "assembled from odd bits."
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
thanks for this most excellent information rhm!

wrt "...the C on the nuts..." was asking Binky about the wedgebolts. they, of course, could be be from a Carlton product as well. slightly odd that machine has T.D. Cross cottered bb paired with Italian arms/chainwheels. no shortage of British cottered chainsets. tends to make one suspect a case of "assembled from odd bits."
Thanks, guys. The phrase that comes to mind is "A dog's breakfast".
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
thanks for this most excellent information rhm!

wrt "...the C on the nuts..." was asking Binky about the wedgebolts. they, of course, could be be from a Carlton product as well. slightly odd that machine has T.D. Cross cottered bb paired with Italian arms/chainwheels. no shortage of British cottered chainsets. tends to make one suspect a case of "assembled from odd bits."
Right! If, as OP suggests, there was no cable stop for a front derailleur, then it was originally a five speed, which would explain why the crank was replaced.

Correction, those nuts that I suggested were Carlton, they are actually Campagnolo.

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nice neighbor! seems like the date and components have been nailed down but since you put it in the appraisals section: its the bottom tier from Holdsworth, but is still a handbuilt frameset from england.. with good lugs and nice brakes- and a seat that is probably worth more than the rest combined. So maybe ~$100?

put some fenders and racks on it and make it a day touring bike and it would sell for quite a bit I suspect to the right person - I think they offered a touring Equipe in the 70s so it wouldn't be a stretch.

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a bit puzzling why it has a qr posterior hub paired with a solid axle anterior.

perhaps someone set about a conversion to qr only to discover that barrel up front was too small to accept a hollow axle...

somewhat rare to encounter a late sixties machine with solid axle tubular wheels. airlites may well hail from an epoch earlier than cycle.

Binky - from here it would appear that the original bits are likely hs, bb, stem, bar, brakeset, pedals, pillar and perhaps rear mech. rhm will know more/better...

thanks for posting this interesting curiosity.
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Hi Binky,
If you are able to read serial number on BB it should help narrow down date of your frame.
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nice neighbor! seems like the date and components have been nailed down but since you put it in the appraisals section: its the bottom tier from Holdsworth, but is still a handbuilt frameset from england.. with good lugs and nice brakes- and a seat that is probably worth more than the rest combined. So maybe ~$100?

put some fenders and racks on it and make it a day touring bike and it would sell for quite a bit I suspect to the right person - I think they offered a touring Equipe in the 70s so it wouldn't be a stretch.
A $100... The seat alone is worth 50 maybe $60 I would be very happy to pay $200 for that Bike.

As Allend says please post the serial #,
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Holdsworths are a bit hard to price as they are somewhat rare on the market-- but for example there was an estate sale Mistral that sold in my neighborhood for $200 after languishing on CL for 3 weeks at 300, then 240, then finally $200. and the mistral is full butted 531 and much higher in the line up than the Equipe - and it was in a similar state of disrepair. I would have bought it but I already have one...

so maybe $100-200 and highly dependent upon finding that right buyer.
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