Classic and Vintage Bicycles: Whats it Worth? Appraisals. Use this subforum for all requests as to "How much is this vintage bike worth?"Do NOT try to sell it in here, use the Marketplaces.

Early 1970's Bottechia De Luxe

Old 07-20-15, 07:22 PM
  #1  
RWMCO
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Early 1970's Bottechia De Luxe

This is the original bike my parents bought for me in the early 70's. Before I could drive a car I would ride miles on this bike going all over the town I grew up in back in Michigan. I loved this bike. I continued to use the bike into adulthood but it has not been used in years and is being stored in my basement. I was wondering if someone could tell me what the bike might be worth. Should I take it somewhere to have it fixed up before I try to sell it or just leave it as is?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
Bike 1.jpg (49.4 KB, 55 views)
File Type: jpg
Bike 2.jpg (53.1 KB, 42 views)
File Type: jpg
Bike 3.jpg (38.2 KB, 45 views)
File Type: jpg
Bike 4.jpg (42.9 KB, 42 views)
File Type: jpg
Bike 5.jpg (45.0 KB, 45 views)
File Type: jpg
Bike 6.jpg (40.1 KB, 37 views)
RWMCO is offline  
Old 07-20-15, 07:37 PM
  #2  
juvela
Senior Member
 
juvela's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 8,115
Mentioned: 213 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1618 Post(s)
Liked 26 Times in 23 Posts
Hello RWMCO,

Welcome to the forum.

Thanks for sharing your bike and its story.

It is the base model from maker Carnielli ca. 1972.

There is information about this manufacturer here:

Bottechia main

If you would like to go through the cycle and put it back into regular use there is no shortage of expertise here at the forum to assist you.

If you would like to sell it others can advise you on its value and salability. In this regard it would be helpful to readers to know your location as these two variables can differ widely depending on one's location.

Thanks for posting.
juvela is offline  
Old 07-20-15, 08:04 PM
  #3  
ramzilla
Senior Member
 
ramzilla's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: 10% Atlanta GA 90% Fernandina FL
Posts: 2,464

Bikes: Vintage Japanese Bicycles

Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 396 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
Sweet ride. Entry level Bottecchia. Some of the finest mass produced bikes ever. Cottered crank, non-Campy, no name tag frame. Don't do a thing to it & you could still probably get $325.
ramzilla is offline  
Old 07-20-15, 08:17 PM
  #4  
RWMCO
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by juvela View Post
Hello RWMCO,

Welcome to the forum.

Thanks for sharing your bike and its story.

It is the base model from maker Carnielli ca. 1972.

There is information about this manufacturer here:

Bottechia main

If you would like to go through the cycle and put it back into regular use there is no shortage of expertise here at the forum to assist you.

If you would like to sell it others can advise you on its value and salability. In this regard it would be helpful to readers to know your location as these two variables can differ widely depending on one's location.

Thanks for posting.
Hi, Thanks for the information. I would like to get advice on its value and the best way to go about selling it. I live in Maryland.
RWMCO is offline  
Old 07-20-15, 08:18 PM
  #5  
RWMCO
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thank you for your input!
RWMCO is offline  
Old 07-20-15, 09:07 PM
  #6  
ramzilla
Senior Member
 
ramzilla's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: 10% Atlanta GA 90% Fernandina FL
Posts: 2,464

Bikes: Vintage Japanese Bicycles

Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 396 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
Craig's List is easy enough. Be sure to set firm limits. If you put your phone number on ad then tell no text or calls before 8AM or after 10PM. Put a firm fixed price in title of ad.
ramzilla is offline  
Old 07-20-15, 09:12 PM
  #7  
ramzilla
Senior Member
 
ramzilla's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: 10% Atlanta GA 90% Fernandina FL
Posts: 2,464

Bikes: Vintage Japanese Bicycles

Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 396 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
Oh yeah, make sure you're comfortable about the deal. You can always meet prospective buyers at your local grocery store parking lot.
ramzilla is offline  
Old 07-21-15, 02:31 AM
  #8  
RWMCO
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by ramzilla View Post
Oh yeah, make sure you're comfortable about the deal. You can always meet prospective buyers at your local grocery store parking lot.
So do you think I should try to sell it for $325 or should I take it to a bike shop to get it fixed up and try to sell it for more?
RWMCO is offline  
Old 07-21-15, 04:51 AM
  #9  
randyjawa 
Senior Member
 
randyjawa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada - burrrrr!
Posts: 9,130

Bikes: 1958 Rabeneick 120D, 1968 Legnano Gran Premio, Rocky Mountain Cardiac

Mentioned: 142 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 585 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 25 Times in 23 Posts
So do you think I should try to sell it for $325 or should I take it to a bike shop to get it fixed up and try to sell it for more?
Clean it up yourself, to make it as presentable as you can. If it is in working condition, so much the better. And don't spend a cent if your purpose it to sell.

Take the how to sell and show suggestions, presented by others, seriously. Some nasty people out there who tend to prey on the decent folks. Caution is a good rule to follow.

You will spend as much as you would make, probably spend more, actually. So, it is not worth it to have the bicycle done at a shop.

That is my opinion, of course, but it has worked for me on a few occasions, in days gone by.
__________________
Learn how to find, restore and maintain vintage road bicycles at... MY "TEN SPEEDS"
randyjawa is offline  
Old 07-21-15, 05:42 AM
  #10  
daf1009 
Senior Member
 
daf1009's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Alpharetta, GA
Posts: 3,178

Bikes: LESS than I did a year ago!

Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 67 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Also...take some better pictures...make sure they are sharp and clear...and not "lying on their side"...have the bike pristine as far as cleanliness, that will help a lot!

While others have suggested 325, you might start there, but be willing to negotiate...in the Atlanta market, this would be a 250 bike...
__________________
72 Schwinn Super Sport, 80 Raleigh Super Course, 81 Miyata 1000, 85 Bianchi Veloce, 93 Tommasini Super Prestige, 05 Pinarello Surprise
daf1009 is offline  
Old 07-21-15, 06:08 AM
  #11  
juvela
Senior Member
 
juvela's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 8,115
Mentioned: 213 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1618 Post(s)
Liked 26 Times in 23 Posts
Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
Here in Hooterville, as it sits, it would be $100. In the end, its an entry level bike that needs work from a period where entry level was really low end. Stamped drop outs, dreaded plastic Simplex derailleurs, cottered crank, steel (I think, not sure) rims, high ten steel frame. Really, its closer to a $50 bike here in its current state, just a matter of what premium someone would pay for the brand name and COO.

Essentially you have an Italian version of a U08 in as found, neglected condition. If it were a U08, I would say $50 as it sits. Add an Italy premium.

Clean it up, fresh bar tape, tires, etc., and it would bring more. But the margin from that work, even if you do it yourself, would be just about breakeven. Pay someone to do it, and its a money loser.

I really don't get the $325 figure.
+1
juvela is offline  
Old 07-21-15, 09:04 AM
  #12  
FastJake
Constant tinkerer
 
FastJake's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Madison, Wisconsin
Posts: 7,640
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
Here in Hooterville, as it sits, it would be $100. In the end, its an entry level bike that needs work from a period where entry level was really low end. Stamped drop outs, dreaded plastic Simplex derailleurs, cottered crank, steel (I think, not sure) rims, high ten steel frame. Really, its closer to a $50 bike here in its current state, just a matter of what premium someone would pay for the brand name and COO.

Essentially you have an Italian version of a U08 in as found, neglected condition. If it were a U08, I would say $50 as it sits. Add an Italy premium.

Clean it up, fresh bar tape, tires, etc., and it would bring more. But the margin from that work, even if you do it yourself, would be just about breakeven. Pay someone to do it, and its a money loser.

I really don't get the $325 figure.
+2

The $325 figure might make sense to someone that thinks Bottechia's are "some of the finest mass produced bikes ever." But for the rest of us in the real world, it's a $75-100 bike. Low end, stamped dropouts, cottered crank, very dirty/rough condition. The chrome fork ends and stays are a nice touch which give these bikes the potential to look very attractive.

If you list it for $325 and stand firm on that price expect to hang onto it for a few years. Possibly for the rest of your life. If you actually want to sell it list it for $100 and take the first close offer.
FastJake is offline  
Old 07-21-15, 10:01 AM
  #13  
ramzilla
Senior Member
 
ramzilla's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: 10% Atlanta GA 90% Fernandina FL
Posts: 2,464

Bikes: Vintage Japanese Bicycles

Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 396 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
O.K., I admit $325 is pretty optimistic. The bike would have to be clean as a whistle with new chain, tires, pads, & some other stuff. And, if you start putting money into it - you won't ever break even. I'd just clean it up as much as possible & sell it as-is. Start high ($300) & if you don't get any bites reduce price $50 & re-list. Repeat until you get down around $100. If that fails, give in to your better instincts & donate it to the local bike co-op.
ramzilla is offline  
Old 07-21-15, 01:29 PM
  #14  
Binky
Senior Member
 
Binky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Southern Ontario, Canada
Posts: 680

Bikes: Too, too many....

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 54 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by RWMCO View Post
This is the original bike my parents bought for me in the early 70's. Before I could drive a car I would ride miles on this bike going all over the town I grew up in back in Michigan. I loved this bike. I continued to use the bike into adulthood but it has not been used in years and is being stored in my basement. I was wondering if someone could tell me what the bike might be worth. Should I take it somewhere to have it fixed up before I try to sell it or just leave it as is?
I had this similar old Gran Turismo Bottecchia bike on Kijiji for a couple of months have been offered $60 to $200 (Canadian !!) for it.
Fiamme Normandy Competition Luxe wheel set, Columbus / Campagnolo frame, forged Campagnolo drop outs, TA crank set, JPR competition pedals.

I gave up - and just got $150 US for just the JPR pedals on eBay !!

I'm just going to continue to strip it and see if anyone wants just the bare frame.
Binky

Attached Images
File Type: jpg
$_27-1.JPG (49.7 KB, 16 views)
File Type: jpg
$_27-2.JPG (46.4 KB, 14 views)
File Type: jpg
$_27-3.JPG (54.1 KB, 15 views)
File Type: jpg
$_27-4.JPG (45.7 KB, 14 views)
File Type: jpg
$_27-5.JPG (39.7 KB, 14 views)
File Type: jpg
$_27-6.JPG (56.3 KB, 20 views)
File Type: jpg
$_27-7.JPG (52.8 KB, 16 views)
File Type: jpg
$_27-8.JPG (50.3 KB, 15 views)
File Type: jpg
$_27-9.JPG (60.0 KB, 16 views)
File Type: jpg
100_4943.jpg (88.3 KB, 14 views)
File Type: jpg
100_4946.jpg (97.0 KB, 21 views)
Binky is offline  
Old 07-23-15, 08:28 PM
  #15  
ramzilla
Senior Member
 
ramzilla's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: 10% Atlanta GA 90% Fernandina FL
Posts: 2,464

Bikes: Vintage Japanese Bicycles

Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 396 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
Hey, what can I say............it's Italian.
ramzilla is offline  
Old 07-25-15, 08:52 PM
  #16  
RWMCO
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by ramzilla View Post
O.K., I admit $325 is pretty optimistic. The bike would have to be clean as a whistle with new chain, tires, pads, & some other stuff. And, if you start putting money into it - you won't ever break even. I'd just clean it up as much as possible & sell it as-is. Start high ($300) & if you don't get any bites reduce price $50 & re-list. Repeat until you get down around $100. If that fails, give in to your better instincts & donate it to the local bike co-op.
Thanks, sounds like good advice!
RWMCO is offline  
Old 07-25-15, 09:42 PM
  #17  
bikemig 
Senior Member
 
bikemig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Middle Earth (aka IA)
Posts: 15,112

Bikes: A bunch of old bikes and a few new ones

Mentioned: 107 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3607 Post(s)
Liked 62 Times in 55 Posts
Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
Here in Hooterville, as it sits, it would be $100. In the end, its an entry level bike that needs work from a period where entry level was really low end. Stamped drop outs, dreaded plastic Simplex derailleurs, cottered crank, steel (I think, not sure) rims, high ten steel frame. Really, its closer to a $50 bike here in its current state, just a matter of what premium someone would pay for the brand name and COO.

Essentially you have an Italian version of a U08 in as found, neglected condition. If it were a U08, I would say $50 as it sits. Add an Italy premium.

Clean it up, fresh bar tape, tires, etc., and it would bring more. But the margin from that work, even if you do it yourself, would be just about breakeven. Pay someone to do it, and its a money loser.

I really don't get the $325 figure.

Someone needs to explain the difference between this bike and the one below. Other than the Italian brand name, the one below is in much better shape, and basically identically equipped:

http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...ate-value.html
+ 3. The bike is worth $50 to $75, more in a big city.
bikemig is offline  
Old 07-30-15, 10:06 PM
  #18  
ramzilla
Senior Member
 
ramzilla's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: 10% Atlanta GA 90% Fernandina FL
Posts: 2,464

Bikes: Vintage Japanese Bicycles

Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 396 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
1X Italian = 2X Japan
ramzilla is offline  
Old 07-31-15, 04:59 AM
  #19  
oddjob2
Still learning
 
oddjob2's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: North of Canada, Adirondacks, NNJ
Posts: 11,578

Bikes: Too many

Mentioned: 87 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 821 Post(s)
Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
+ 3. The bike is worth $50 to $75, more in a big city.
Originally Posted by ramzilla View Post
Sweet ride. Entry level Bottecchia. Some of the finest mass produced bikes ever. Cottered crank, non-Campy, no name tag frame. Don't do a thing to it & you could still probably get $325.
Originally Posted by RWMCO View Post
So do you think I should try to sell it for $325 or should I take it to a bike shop to get it fixed up and try to sell it for more?
Originally Posted by FastJake View Post
+2

The $325 figure might make sense to someone that thinks Bottechia's are "some of the finest mass produced bikes ever." But for the rest of us in the real world, it's a $75-100 bike. Low end, stamped dropouts, cottered crank, very dirty/rough condition. The chrome fork ends and stays are a nice touch which give these bikes the potential to look very attractive.

If you list it for $325 and stand firm on that price expect to hang onto it for a few years. Possibly for the rest of your life. If you actually want to sell it list it for $100 and take the first close offer.

Unless @ramzilla has actual experience selling a tattered entry level Bottechia or is willing to buy it for that sum, playing armchair quarterback is of no benefit in establishing FMV, and gives the OP unattainable expectations. Better to listen to the wisdom of members who have bought, refurbished, and sold hundreds of bikes. A repair shop spruce up of the bike doesn't make sense because it would exceed $200 with new consumable parts.

As Thrifty Bill points out, it is equipped exactly as a Peugeot U-O8 and I would take my chances with a Peugeot flip over the same model Bottechia any day. It is a $50-$60 bike project as presented. You still need better photos.

if the bike was refurbished, with clean paint, no rust, new consumables, and polished chrome and aluminum, it might be worth $200.
oddjob2 is offline  
Old 08-01-15, 10:33 AM
  #20  
ramzilla
Senior Member
 
ramzilla's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: 10% Atlanta GA 90% Fernandina FL
Posts: 2,464

Bikes: Vintage Japanese Bicycles

Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 396 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
Mama Mia! It's Italian!! Worth at least 2X a comparable bike from France or anywhere else.
ramzilla is offline  
Old 08-02-15, 12:14 AM
  #21  
Lascauxcaveman 
Senior Member
 
Lascauxcaveman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Port Angeles, WA
Posts: 7,249

Bikes: A green one, "Ragleigh," or something.

Mentioned: 155 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1295 Post(s)
Liked 17 Times in 14 Posts
Originally Posted by ramzilla View Post
Mama Mia! It's Italian!! Worth at least 2X a comparable bike from France or anywhere else.
LOL, quit blowing sunshine up this guy's @rseh0le, you're setting him up for a major disappointment. Really cleaned up and in tune, you might get $150 for that bike, in a big urban market. And a buyer who doesn't know about bikes.

I think the OP should tune it up and just keep it; it's probably an OK rider, just like a UO-8.
__________________
● 1971 Grandis SL ● 1972 Lambert Grand Prix frankenbike ● 1972 Raleigh Super Course fixie ● 1973 Nishiki Semi-Pro ● 1980 Apollo "Legnano" ● 1981 Miyata 1000 ● 1984 Bianchi Limited ● 1984 Nishiki Landau ● 1984 Peugeot Vagabond ● 1985 Trek 600 ● 1985 Shogun Prairie Breaker ● 1986 Univega Nuovo Sport ● 1986 Merckx Super Corsa ● 1987 Schwinn Tempo ● 1988 Schwinn Voyageur ● 1989 Trek 400 ● 1990 Cannondale ST600 ● 1993 Technium RT600 ● 1996 Kona Lava Dome ● And a Bike to Be Named Later ●

Last edited by Lascauxcaveman; 08-02-15 at 12:17 AM.
Lascauxcaveman is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
providencebikes
Bicycle Mechanics
23
09-23-15 09:47 AM
Colorado Kid
Commuting
5
12-19-13 01:34 PM
sixtydays
Commuting
14
05-26-08 11:39 AM
wxlidar
Road Cycling
13
03-02-07 08:50 AM
RedDeMartini
Singlespeed & Fixed Gear
22
03-10-06 10:52 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.