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Old 07-24-15, 12:37 PM
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Mercier columbus

Hi everyone ... this is my bike and I'm curious of what its' value is today !!!

MERCIER COLUMBUS 1980
Vitus Dropouts
Seat San Marco Superleggera (new upholstery)
Hubs Gipieme
Rims Campagnolo OMEGA 20 (bought in 1990)
Crankset Stronglight TS Bis
Seat post Mercier aluminum
Brakes MAFAC Competition Gold
Stem and handle 3TTT
Gears Campagnolo Super Record (2nd gen)
Chain Regina Gold TS
Freewheel Regina TS 7 speed


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Old 07-24-15, 11:52 PM
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Gorgeous bike in super condition. I checked ebay for comps and didn't find much help. Going to put a wild guess out there and say around $1,000.00 plus or minus.
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Old 07-25-15, 01:03 AM
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i am not sure but i like the bicycle. 1000? seems high, but who knows?
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My estimate would be between $450 and $600. Even though it is a lovely old French bicycle, it is an old French bicycle and fitted with less that the most sought after components. Course, I could be wrong about value.
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Beautiful Mercier but much of the value is in the frame and fork. The equipment is excellent (Campy SR derailleurs), to adequate (tired Mafac 2000s and mid-range TSbis crankset) to tatty (Simplex Criterium shift levers). I think randyjawa's valuation is about right.
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Old 07-25-15, 11:39 AM
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I like it.....I would pay 500-550 for it.
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Hi, very nice looking bike...Mercier was never a well know name and I have never seen a Mercier with columbus tubing (I will admit they have not been on my radar) so to a Mercier collector if rare, the bike could command a premium. a quick look on ebay and you will find that your 'tired" mafacs also are sought after and command a premium because they are gold anodized etc. etc..
My guess to a collector and right buyer up to 700.00.....parts including frame alone are that.
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Old 07-25-15, 03:00 PM
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Well ... Mercier may not be famous in America ... but in Europe it was !!!
Raymond Poulidor rode for Mercier ... and for many years they won the "Tour de France" race ...
The frame is the one that Team MERCIER used in races ... they used 531 Reynolds for practice bikes ...
Originally it rode on MAVIC rims but in 1991 Ichanged into Campagnolo rims ...
I also have a set of Campagnolo brakes, but I love the looks of the gold MAFAC ... and a Campagnolo SR cranckset which is HEAVIER than the Stronglight by 100 gr. !!!

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Old 07-25-15, 03:12 PM
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And BTW ... in Germany a Mercier with Vitus steel frame every day bike equiped with Siplex SLJ and Weimann brakes sells for 900 E ... that is about 1000 $ ... for a much lesser bike !!!

http://www.steel-vintage.com/mercier...e-1970s-detail

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Old 07-25-15, 03:38 PM
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1500 Ε ....
https://shop.cicli-berlinetta.de/pro...cm-track-bike/
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Originally Posted by Costas Bras View Post
And BTW ... in Germany a Mercier with Vitus steel frame every day bike equiped with Siplex SLJ and Weimann brakes sells for 900 E ... that is about 1000 $ ... for a much lesser bike !!!

Steel Vintage Bikes - Mercier Classic Bicycle 1970s
Why come here for advice if you already formed your own opinion? Hoping that people would give you higher estimate than you expected?
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Old 07-25-15, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 10mg View Post
Why come here for advice if you already formed your own opinion? Hoping that people would give you higher estimate than you expected?
I haven't made any estimation since I cannot find anywhere a frame like this one ... it seems that nowdays it is very rare ... I was hoping someone knew something more ...
I just showed what I have found so far ...
BTW I'm not selling it ... I just want to know

Besides isn't that the reason forums are created ?
Exchanging information ?

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Old 07-25-15, 05:56 PM
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you want something real?
here is something real, not somebodies estimate. This bike is on ebay and has not sold, for a while.
Mercier Classic Bicycle 1970s PTS Vintage Steel VGC Campagnolo L'Eroica | eBay
it is in my opinion, as nice as yours in every respect. but I may be wrong. Are you selling it or what?

i see you already linked to this bike, but in a different site. the thing is its not selling, and its brand new.

There are too many nice bikes around. 1000 buys a whole lotta bike
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Old 07-26-15, 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by MZilliox View Post
you want something real?
here is something real, not somebodies estimate. This bike is on ebay and has not sold, for a while.
Mercier Classic Bicycle 1970s PTS Vintage Steel VGC Campagnolo L'Eroica | eBay
it is in my opinion, as nice as yours in every respect. but I may be wrong. Are you selling it or what?

i see you already linked to this bike, but in a different site. the thing is its not selling, and its brand new.

There are too many nice bikes around. 1000 buys a whole lotta bike
As you already wrote I have quoted this bike ...
As I said before it is inferior as it is a Vitus steel frame not a Columbus and equiped with Weimann and Simplex ... still it has a price tag of 1100 $ !!!
One way or another it is different than mine ...
I cannot find an example with a frame like mine and that's why I'm asking !!!
Columbus frames had a 40% increased price tag back then ...
It seems that Mercier was not as famous in America as it was in Europe ... here it the must have bike for the serious athlete !!!
Maybe that why we have such different price estimation ...
The bike I linked is from a well known and respected Vintage Bike Shop in Germany and for that reason I thought I should post it ...
For example ... I see here many speaking about bikes like Schwinn, Ironman etc that in Europe are not known at all !!!
In the early 80's in Europe, Colnago and Bianchi bikes were concidered inferior to Mercier and Peugeot while I see that in this forum they are very well respected ...
I also don't know what counts in a vintage bike price !!!
You see the bike that I linked is in its original equipment as it came out from the factory ... maybe that is the reason why it has a high price !!!
Mine was bought and assembled piece by piece !!!
First I bought the frame directly from Mercier and then I used as a part donor one like the one I linked ... and whenever I could afford it, I improved it by using Campagnolo, 3ttt etc ...
There are many things I don't know ... that's why I'm asking !!!
And NO ... the bike is NOT for sale !!!
It has too big sentimental value for me as I was racing it for almost 10 years !!!
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Old 07-26-15, 06:46 AM
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"I also don't know what counts in a vintage bike price!!!"
That's what we all don't know. You have a sentimental attachment to the bike, adds to your perceived value.
The vintage bike market is tiny. What people value is very fickle. In the U.S. old Raleighs command top dollar for what are really very mediocre production bikes. But it's what people grew up with, and the value is high because of sentimental/nostalgic reasons.
Mercier weren't imported to the States in the quantities like Raleigh and Peugeot. They possess qualities that appeal to me but not too many others. When I saw the pictures if your bike my first thought was, Wow!, that is a nice Mercier, maybe the best I have seen. The component choices are what I like, the color is fantastic, the gold brakes add punch, everything about it appeals to me. So to me I see a $12-1400 bike. But there ain't too many people like me out there. For the most part very, very, very few people will even touch a French bike.
To the great majority of people your Mercier is a relic of the past, equipped with obsolete components attached to a steel frame. Heavy, with odd parts sizing, and French threading.
But in the end the bike has great value to you. Enjoy it. It certainly looks well cared for. And to the odd French bike fanatic it is tour de force.
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Ok OK, so you aren't selling but want to know value for fun, thats cool. I want to know how does this bike ride? Because if it rides like somebody should pay a over $1000 for one, I will surely be looking for one of these frames myself.

What is the frame model? I do love columbus tubing, but thought high end vitus was equally respected. also, interesting to hear Colnago and Bianchi were considered below Peugeot and Mercier, maybe a bit of French bias? Do you have opinion on where Gitane and motobecane fit in there too? you rate the mercier higher than these 2 brands as well?

All good info. I love your bike. I love French bikes in general.
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I'm with Big Chainring, I like this bike a lot. I was always a sucker for pink Merciers.

That said, I disagree with a lot of what the OP is posting. Columbus SL/SP tubing did not go at a 40% premium over Reynolds 531 tubing. They were both seen as top end tubing sets. What mattered in any case is the "perceived" value of the frame builder. What's a bit weird is that the OP is dissing Italian bikes compared to French ones and then claims that Italian tubing sets are better than the British ones that French manufacturers used on a regular basis. There is a disconnect here.

Mzilliox pretty much nails it in post no. 13. That is a beautiful Mercier easily very close in value to the OP's bike and it's not selling. There are beautiful vintage bikes out there in the $1,000 land there.

Now I understand that the OP is sentimentally attached to his (or her) bike. I am attached to mine. But back in reality land, $1k may be high for that bike.

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Old 07-26-15, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
Those bikes are usually not the rare ones. Instead, it is the top of the brand, example, Schwinn Paramount, where as a kid the person got a cheap Schwinn Varsity. "Always wanted a Paramount, but couldn't afford it".
OK ... I get your point !!!
The Mercier Columbus was the top of the line !!!

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So a lot of people grew up with a Peugeot UO8. Some of them now as older adults want a PX10, the bike they "wish" they could have owned 40 years ago.
I still have a green 1974 Peugeot UO8 ... it has Suntour derailleurs instead of the Simplex but otherwise ... in great condition !!!

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+100 I have never seen Columbus SL command a premium over 531. Straight gauge 531, sure. DB 531, no.
Reynolds frames that were imported at that time had only 2 tubes 531 that's why they were cheaper !!!

The bicycle I linked (the one in Germany) is the one I had before the Columbus and actually it was the donor bike to the Columbus at first !!!
So I know it was about a 2 lbs heavier frame !!!
What I surely remember is that only 2 tubes were Vitus DB ...

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Old 07-26-15, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by big chainring View Post
Mercier weren't imported to the States in the quantities like Raleigh and Peugeot..
That explains a lot !!!
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Originally Posted by MZilliox View Post
Ok OK, so you aren't selling but want to know value for fun, thats cool. I want to know how does this bike ride? Because if it rides like somebody should pay a over $1000 for one, I will surely be looking for one of these frames myself.
Don't ask me ... to me it rides like a dream !!! My daughter who now actually rides it most says it is the best bike she has ever riden !!!
Maybe because for the love of the father and the history it carries ...


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What is the frame model? I do love columbus tubing, but thought high end vitus was equally respected. also, interesting to hear Colnago and Bianchi were considered below Peugeot and Mercier, maybe a bit of French bias? Do you have opinion on where Gitane and motobecane fit in there too? you rate the mercier higher than these 2 brands as well?

All good info. I love your bike. I love French bikes in general.
It is a full Columbus frame that has 2 SL tubes and 1 SP since it is at 58 cm frame ... it has Vitus dropouts !!!
As far as I know (not sure though) the frame is made by Vitus using Columbus tubing, since Vitus made all racing frames for the racing frames of Mercier ...
This frame is the one team Mercier used from 1979 (late) to 1982 for races

Total weight around 20-21 lbs

As for the rest ... we are talking for very early 80's ... later at around '87-'88 things changed a bit !!!
Back then it was either Peugeot or Mercier ... Mercier leading ...
Gitanes became known later ... Colnago at around '83 and Bianchi much much later !!!
Velosolex at the early 80's produced very mediocre bike that fit only every day use ... they were concidered 2nd class !!!
At around '84 the first worth noticing Velosolex bikes arrived ....
Raleighs were also highly respected but were more expensive without actually offering more ... but because of the English currency conversion ...

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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
I'm with Big Chainring, I like this bike a lot. I was always a sucker for pink Merciers.

That said, I disagree with a lot of what the OP is posting. Columbus SL/SP tubing did not go at a 40% premium over Reynolds 531 tubing. They were both seen as top end tubing sets. What mattered in any case is the "perceived" value of the frame builder. What's a bit weird is that the OP is dissing Italian bikes compared to French ones and then claims that Italian tubing sets are better than the British ones that French manufacturers used on a regular basis. There is a disconnect here.

Mzilliox pretty much nails it in post no. 13. That is a beautiful Mercier easily very close in value to the OP's bike and it's not selling. There are beautiful vintage bikes out there in the $1,000 land there.

Now I understand that the OP is sentimentally attached to his (or her) bike. I am attached to mine. But back in reality land, $1k may be high for that bike.
I guess OP is me ???
What does that mean ???

About Reynolds vs Columbus ... I explained that I am not sure if it was 531 or some other alloy, still bike frames that were imported in Greece had only 2 Reynolds tubes and not full frame !!!
That's why Columbus was 40% more expensive !!! (BTW I still have that frame too)

Does that solve the puzzle ???

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Now that's a very interesting exchange of thoughts and knowledge ... I like it this way !!!

What I did is I send an e-mail to Vintage Steel Bikes and one more shop in Cyprus that specializes in vintage bicycle, including photos, asking them if they can give me a rough estimation ...

If and when they answer I'll let you know so that we can compare Europe market to the American ...
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