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Old 08-06-15, 01:39 AM
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Anyone experienced with Raleigh Internationals?

1974 Raleigh International: $225. 53.5cm Raleigh International 12 Speed Road Bike

Hey folks! I've been looking for a lighter weight steel bike for longer rides to replace a pretty heavy Puch and feel like this bike may hit the mark. As a result, I've already contacted the seller. However, it looks like it has basically no original components. For the brakes, that may be a good thing, but it comes at the expense of all the Campagnolo components. Would you guys try to bargain down or is this still a good price for a nice frame and fairly good components?







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Old 08-06-15, 02:07 AM
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Fair price, in my opinion. Basically, you are buying a desirable frame/fork set with a set of components that make the bicycle road worthy, assuming everything is in good working condition.

I would pay that price in a heart beat and, if the bicycle were here, it would already be bought.
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This is a good price for just the frame and fork...particularly as good of a shape as it appears to be in...if it had the full Campy set up, in apparently very good condition, it would be over $500...easy...
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Old 08-06-15, 05:42 AM
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A much better frame of Reynolds 531 steel than the Puch Odyssey at a bargain price.
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decent price for frame....assuming no dents or rust...to many component changes, which is too bad and costly to get back to original.
offer a bit less and if price is firm i would still but at that price.
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Very strange component mix. I would probably strip it and redo it with my own stuff. But for the price, who cares. That is still a good deal on a relatively sought after Raleigh 531 frameset with some very attractive chrome work.
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I would agree that the price is good not much value in most of the components but they look to be in good shape and should make the bike basically ride ready. The frameset and crank a basically worth a little more than the asking price. Understand that the bike will likely need a full servicing and new consumables the brake pads and tires look to be junk and some better parts in the near future. So figure on spending another $150-200 to bring the bike up to what it should be. As others have said if the bike had nice matching components and wheelset with good rubber it would be $400-500 bike.
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Old 08-06-15, 11:09 AM
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Wow. It's great to wake up to so much feedback. I appreciate all the advice, everyone. My gut tells me to always try to negotiate down but I think this bike will probably be exactly what I'm looking for and I'm a little afraid of chasing it away. I'm going look at it soon and, based on the input in this thread, will probably either give the price asked or just not buy it if I see something major wrong with the frame. I'll only ask for something lower if there is something amiss with the frame.
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Oddly enough, the tires look older than the rims. Hmmmm............
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Old 08-06-15, 03:29 PM
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Why is that odd. The bike has been rebuilt with non-stock components, i.e. a parts bin build. SO if old tires were handy that's what was used.
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Old 08-06-15, 04:00 PM
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I have a 73 International, bought it just as a frame. I built it up originally as a triple cranked, upright bar english cruiser.

It's in pieces right now for some braze work I want to do, and mine has extremely long chain stays, enough for 650b 42mm tires + fenders.


For some reason a lot of people get upset if it doesn't have the original parts on it. Someone posted here once that the only people who bought them new and actually rode them "upgraded" the parts. The frame is sports touring, the original parts were race-type Campy NR (except brakes). I think that year they also came with tubular tires.

Having said that, you could use the "no original parts" to get the price down, but $225 is already a good deal. In many locals you'd have to pay much more.

If it fits, buy it! Ride it awhile and change out what's not working for you.
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Originally Posted by thejoshwhite View Post
Wow. It's great to wake up to so much feedback. I appreciate all the advice, everyone. My gut tells me to always try to negotiate down but I think this bike will probably be exactly what I'm looking for and I'm a little afraid of chasing it away. I'm going look at it soon and, based on the input in this thread, will probably either give the price asked or just not buy it if I see something major wrong with the frame. I'll only ask for something lower if there is something amiss with the frame.

Hey, if you can get it cheaper, go for it. As is, that's about what I would expect to pay just for the frameset. The non-original parts aren't worth a ton but they make it a rideable bike, so that's gravy. If this was in my neck of the woods I'd have already brought it home.
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Originally Posted by gugie View Post
Having said that, you could use the "no original parts" to get the price down, but $225 is already a good deal. In many locals you'd have to pay much more.

If it fits, buy it! Ride it awhile and change out what's not working for you.
That's a beautiful bike. Are those fenders from VeloOrange? Also, I'm thinking the one I posted is a '74. Do you agree?

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Hey, if you can get it cheaper, go for it. As is, that's about what I would expect to pay just for the frameset. The non-original parts aren't worth a ton but they make it a rideable bike, so that's gravy. If this was in my neck of the woods I'd have already brought it home.
I think you guys are both right about the components. They should be fine and I can alter them as needed. I'm hoping I can keep this one around for a while as my go-to bike. I can build up a collection when I have a real job one day, but this seems like a good start that will hold it's price well just in case worse comes to worse. I've set up a meeting with the guy tonight and hopefully it fits as well as I think it will.
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Originally Posted by thejoshwhite View Post
That's a beautiful bike. Are those fenders from VeloOrange? Also, I'm thinking the one I posted is a '74. Do you agree?

I think you guys are both right about the components. They should be fine and I can alter them as needed. I'm hoping I can keep this one around for a while as my go-to bike. I can build up a collection when I have a real job one day, but this seems like a good start that will hold it's price well just in case worse comes to worse. I've set up a meeting with the guy tonight and hopefully it fits as well as I think it will.
Yes, those are VO fenders. Here's a good place to determine what year it is:Retro Raleighs: The International

If you buy it, the serial number will tell you when it was made.
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I am with you: if someone puts a good price on something on CL, I just hand them the money, thank them, and do not negotiate.
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I'll bet that bike is already gone. Snooze….you lose. I hope it was you that bought it.
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I am with you: if someone puts a good price on something on CL, I just hand them the money, thank them, and do not negotiate.
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I'll bet that bike is already gone. Snooze….you lose. I hope it was you that bought it.
It was me! It is definitely a bike of crazy unmatched parts. But it rides great, and he definitely put care into putting it together. I'll slowly improve the components with time if need be but I'm excited about it. We ended at $220 by the way because neither of us had change, but it was a cordial interaction all around. Thanks for the input everyone. I'll post some more pictures soon.
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It was me! We ended at $220 by the way because neither of us had change, but it was a cordial interaction all around. Thanks for the input everyone. I'll post some more pictures soon.
Congratulations, you got a great deal! Internationals are very nice, and desirable, bikes.
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We sold them new in our shop in NYC for $500 at that time, they were very very nice bikes
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Too bad all the original components aren't there, but you got a real nice frame for that money. Did the guy say what happened to all the Campy parts?
Nice score.
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It seemed like he pulled them off for another bike but wasn't entirely clear. Somewhat of a shame, but that's why I was able to get the nice price. The front derailleur is the original campy though. I won't be too concerned with getting back to original truth be told. I'm just going to make it the bike I want to ride. I'm in the process of switching over to STI levers. I'll need to get some nicer wheels soon as well. But I couldn't be happier with my choice to get it.
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The actual performance difference with the components is really pretty insubstantial. Should make a great rider.

But I'd stick with the downtube shifters myself :-)
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But I'd stick with the downtube shifters myself :-)
You think so? I haven't fully jumped into the switch. You like the look or have you had bad experience with lever shifters?
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I like the look and the feel. But I'm a bit vintage as well, so I grew up with them. Was away from riding for a long time and when I returned they just felt right to me. My regular ride had been converted to STI when I bought it, so I converted it back to downtube. I am in the minority on this though.
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