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Claud Butler frame and forks. 1940s? Help needed please!

Old 09-13-15, 03:25 AM
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Claud Butler frame and forks. 1940s? Help needed please!

Good morning all. I am a new member on this forum and the current owner of this beautiful Claud frame frame and forks.
Managed to save it from going into a "skip" some people have no soul! and am looking for information on which model and approx date it is.
It is 24" and was refinished by Bob Jacksons (sticker on bottom of seat tube) sometime in the 80s / 90s i think.
The frame numbers frame and steerer tube 962165 match and it has a lovely fork crown and continental ends (stamped CB).
I have been looking on various sites and think it could be a Sport Anglais but its lugless not bi laminate!
Any help would be very much appreciated as i would like to find it a new owner who will rebuild it as was in the day :-)))
Best regards to all. Dave.
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Old 10-30-15, 10:34 AM
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Hi Dave,

It looks like a very nice frame there. I had a similarly aged frame/project that I inherited from my grandfather. Mine dates from 1948 and was most likely an International Club, which may well be what yours is as well.

I received lots of helpful advice from other people on the forum so if you look through the thread (https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...ud-butler.html) you'll likely find some useful links and resources.

I ended up using a lot of more modern components on mine as I wanted to finish it and start using it.

If you are still thinking of selling it then by all means let me know as I wouldn't mind adding to my collection (currently just 1 bike).
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Old 10-31-15, 11:09 AM
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Looks to be a CB from prior to the Holdsworthy purchase of CB. Jackson would've likely put on the same Reynolds transfer that the frame originally had. "Upgrading" the tubing with a butted transfer would be very bad form. H. Lloyd's website indicates that your Reynolds transfer is from '48 to '54. Jackson seems to have brazed-on Campag or look-alike BB cable guides at the time of the respray. It seems odd that the owner didn't want TT cable guides or shift lever bosses on the DT.

I'd start looking at the International Club models. Below is a page from CB's 1949 catalog.



The International Club seems to have all the features in common with your frame; Butted 531, Fillet Brazed (CB's term is welded), dropouts, similar seat stay treatment at the seat-lug. The IC also comes in a 24" model. I'd carefully measure the fork rake, wheelbase, and angles to see if your numbers match CB's printed specs.

Here is more info on CB, and the source of the page above.
Veteran Cycle Club Library

I envy your find. It's just 1" too big for me.

I've had a hard time identifying the year of my Avant Courer via the serial number (11065). CB and later Holdsworthy seem to have used multiple schemes
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Old 11-01-15, 06:05 PM
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Very handsome old frame. Shame about the condition of the head badge but then, it sort of adds a note of vintage character to it.
Beauty.
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