icepick_trotsky 

Any thoughts on this one? I'm not very well versed in the Asian-made "Paramounts," but by all accounts they're nice riders, if under-equipped. This one needs work, but most of the parts are there. Bar ends are a plus, too.

https://stlouis.craigslist.org/bik/5260099950.html

zukahn1

Incomplete rough project condition needs almost everything. I would look at it as if you where basically buying a nicer Japanese frame set and some so-so parts so $150 as is. Considering the seller says's this one is in good condition? I doubt they will come down on price I would say pass on this one.

mrv 

i'm a fan of my PDG 2

i was hoping my frame alone was worth more $200.
anyway - for reference, i recently sold a smallish mid-80s Cannondale frame and fork (with headset and BB bearings) for $90. good paint, no damage.
i purchased a Gunnar Rock Hound that needed paint and a seatpost removed for $80 (including a Surly rigid and Rock Shox suspension fork).

hope that helps.

icepick_trotsky 

Thanks. I don't think its worth anywhere near asking price, just curious as to a better price. Given the rough state and that winter is coming, I'll probably let it sit for a while then make an offer. Could be a nice winter project since the docket is currently empty over here.

Tim_Iowa

The PDG series bikes aren't sought by collectors, so you need to price them as riders.

A PDG series 3 in good riding condition is worth $275. It's a good frame with middling parts.

This guy's dirty project is worth maybe half that.

mstateglfr 

Wow, $275 seems high for that.

The ad says the stem was replaced. So that thing is the new stem?!

I would expect new bar tape, hoods, brake pads, tires and tubes, cables and housing, stem, and a total cleaning of the frame and components.
From the pics you can see the cable housing is yellowed, its almost for sure original. The RD is really dirty, so figure all components are that way.

It is not close to being ride ready with just some bar tape and a couple of adjustments. The wheel isn't on the bike and the tire isn't even on the wheel.

With all that said, its a really cool paint scheme and I love the RX100 group. It could be an awesome project with proper time and money. Bar ends too are a plus, at least for me.

I wouldn't want to have more than $300 total in it, but that's just me.
I would say you should figure out what the total is you want to spend, back out the costs for new tires, hoods, tape, cables and housing, pads, etc, and offer the difference.
$60 for tires, $20 for hoods(guess), $15 for tape, $20 for housing and cables, $20 for pads, $6 for grease, $4 for bearing balls if you don't have them.
So I would be at about $150 as a max to buy the bike, and even then, I would want to be a little less to account for unknowns. This is assuming those wheels spin true for me. I loathe wheel wobble as its always tough for me to correct...just terrible at it.

Hopefully you will be able to tear it down, clean everything, repack bearings, build it back up, and ride!


...all this assumes you do the work. If a shop is doing it, itll probably cost $150-225 plus parts.

oddjob2

+1 It is indeed an immaculate Cannondale frame and fork, but those dang Shimano decals have to go. Still debating between a silver or black group for it.

The rims on the subject bike don't appear to match, the quill stem needs to be binned. RX100, meh. I agree with @zukahn1's fmv of $150.


I just sold a 60cm Columbus Tenax 1987 Schwinn Prelude frame/fork/headset for $125. The fork needs repainting, but the frame is average, no rust. I recently picked up a 62cm Tempo late 1980s, with fair paint and oxidation where the seat tube merges with the BB shell, about $40.

Darth Lefty 

I bought one about two years ago for a project and it was a dumb mistake, it was way too big and it also had been stripped and built back up with a mishmash of components. I didn't get to ride it, it was way too big. I sold the frame for something like these people are saying and donated most of the parts to the coop. The frame looks like it ought to be a great ride, it was light and stiff as hell with thin OS tubing and nice details like pointy lugs, star bottle bosses, spaceman RD cable stop, and a chain hanger.

ramzilla

Somebody might pay $275 for it. Not me. Missing saddle & seat post. Rough condition. needs $200 worth of parts just to be rideable. Maybe $150 would be fair.

plonz 

I've seen a couple of these in riding condition listed at $350 and end up celebrating a CL birthday. I imagine this one should bring considerably less. $150-$200?

RoadGuy

Out here in SoCal a nice rider is $275 and a like new example is $350. I turned down a complete 58cm Series 3 project bike that was mostly finished for $175. It was advertised for sale for almost a year.

$275 for a project in worse than average condition is not a deal. I would probably go $100, but no more with seeing the frame in person to make sure that there are no undisclosed surprises.

A guy has a 54cm Series 3 frame out here that he's been advertising for months at $100, and he's willing to sell it for $40. I offered him $20, because that's all it's worth to me. From handling the stripped frame with fork, I can tell you that for a steel frame and fork, it's amazingly light.

ramzilla

Bike is valuable for sure. No doubt somebody will pay some big bucks. For me ............. $150

bike_forever

[QUOTE=icepick_trotsky;18238231]Any thoughts on this one? I'm not very well versed in the Asian-made "Paramounts," but by all accounts they're nice riders, if under-equipped. This one needs work, but most of the parts are there. Bar ends are a plus, too.]

I owner this exact model and year in 95% original excellent condition and sold it for 350.00. The are great bikes! The PDG Paramount Design Group was a high quality Schwinn product line but PDG bikes still have nowhere near the value of the Waterford era Paramount bikes.