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Teledyne Titan with Campy NR, part out?

Old 10-21-15, 12:31 PM
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Teledyne Titan with Campy NR, part out?

I just saw a Teledyne Titan for sale locally, seller says it has full Campy NR and an extra wheelset. Condition looks pretty nice but hard to tell from the one lousy photo. Asking price is $800. Is this worth it to part-out?

For those that don't know, the Titan was a very early attempt at a full titanium frame/fork in the mid 1970s. They used commercially pure Ti instead of the alloys used today and the frames/forks seem to have a reputation for breaking. That's why I was thinking part-out. Originally I thought about it as a rider but the failures sounded pretty catastrophic which is making me shy away from attempting to ride it.

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Unless the NR parts are NOS, I think you'd lose your @@@ on it.
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I don't know anything about what the frame is worth, but even if it's worth $300, it would not be worth the time it would take to part it out. If the whole bike was less than $300 I might consider buying it for a part out.
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I don't see getting more than $300-400 hundred on a part out plus whatever the frame is worth. Counting in time and labor I think you would need to get it for $300 or less for this to really make sense as a part out. If everything on the bike is good no issues with the frame I think it is worth about the asking price as a complete bike.
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If nothing else, titanium is worth like $8.50/lb
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There are several of us here on the Forum who love and still ride our Titan frames. Most of us have replaced the front forks.
Most of the "breakages" were associated either with the front fork or with the rear dropouts (when the QR was over-tightened).
My Titan fork had a bad tig weld between the steerer and crown, admittedly a bad place to fail. I caught it before it did thanks to doing my own regreasing.
I put a carbon fork on her and ride her as a fixie - one of the lightest around!

The one I have with the Barry Harvey-era decals hangs on the Wall of Memories in my front room. It's all original - but I don't ride her.
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Thanks everyone. I'm not knowledgeable about the old Campy stuff so I didn't have a ballpark figure on what it was worth. Here's the ad in case anyone is curious: Rare 1970's Teledyne Titan Road Bike in Excellent Condition!
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The Teledyne Titan can be considered as quite esoteric in the C&V world market, as despite it's rarity, the bike does carry a bit of bad luggage in it's history.... say "Death fork" in this case and even some frame joint cracking, IIRC....
So, the best way to get most money for it is to find just the right buyer that really needs to own one. The appeal is just not universal, even for most of the C&V community
Not unusual to see these asking for upwards to $1K at eBay, but they rarely ever sell for that much, even if in really good to mint condition. Now if the bike's had some well known pro racing pedigree and victories, then it could sell for that kind of money, but I haven't heard of such......
Realistic price for a Teledyne Titan in VGC and with Campy NR stuff would be more like 650 bucks, maybe up to 750 bucks max to a TT uber fan..... Mostly because of its rarity....Similar applies to earliest C&V CF bikes....

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Interesting its the third one I've seen available in maybe 12 months (2 completes and 1 frameset. Frameset sold for $280). This particular one was mentioned on the CR list. From what I understand they made 2000 over a couple years. Cool to think of the early 70's Apollo era having a 4 pound range frameset. Currently there are some Teledyne's on ebay that may be of interest.

No doubt a neat piece of cycling history, unique enough and appealing to the collector. Definitely exclusive, has an interesting story line though I think it has a very limited market.

But one has to ask, are you going to ride it and if so truly enjoy? To me, I like to ride all of my bikes and on a fairly regular rotation. Consider what kind of a rider you are including size, weight and what to expect out of the ride. Is a bike with torsional flex acceptable to you? Some feel the rebound in climbs works to their advantage. Only you can answer that.

I've never experienced one of these Teledyne's so I'm not qualified to comment but only what I've read by others who have. My thinking is if I was going to spend and wanted a ti bike, it would be something later from Lynskey or Merlin. Though I would consider a vintage Speedwell only for the cleaner look tubing.

Its no secret of the Titans problems and inherit risk, one primarily being its hardness, brittle properties due a more pure titanium. The early adopter of welding these frames in a special environment vs. todays advanced weld / gas technique and tubing having vanadium. The ti fork scares me more than a risk of frame fracture but like anything, just do your homework and carefully inspect.

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Old 10-26-15, 08:53 PM
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The ride quality is really nice in my opinion; they say a world-class bike "disappears under you" meaning you interface effortlessly with the machine.

My Teledyne does just that - it disappears under me.
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